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[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 137 points 3 days ago (1 children)

[+] Photonic@lemmy.world -15 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Funny. I was called a Zionist on Lemmy because I said the kids at the festival shouldn’t have had to die.

[–] robocall@lemmy.world 51 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think most people can acknowledge that Oct 7 was bad, and also recognize the apartheid and genocide of Palestinians is bad.

[–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

Unfortunately, some people can't

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I mean, some people are overzealous, but maybe there's more context too?

Fundamentally, yeah, civilians getting caught in a conflict sucks.

It's just that this one attack is used as justification for the vindictive massacres since, which is both wildly out of proportion and extremely unfair to the civilians not involved in the attack who, even in the most charitable reading, get killed for other people's sins, and in a less charitable one, get killed for other people's genocidal conviction of supremacy.

[–] Photonic@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Context here: https://lemmy.world/comment/22416297

I just read it again, a “Zionist bootlicker” even, for suggesting the attack at the festival was wrong.

[–] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I wonder if kids in the concentration camp could hear the festival outside the prison they were born into. I wonder how many could hear or see life outside their prison as their family died from starvation, bombings, or other crimes against humanity. Of course most of them are dead now.

It isn't wrong when someone plays a wrong note when learning how to play the piano. It isn't wrong when a bullied kid punches back. It wasn't wrong when a Jew beat a former camp guard to death when walking out of a liberated Nazi concentration camp. It wasn't wrong when Hamas killed children in the attack on the festival when resisting genocide.

It's a bad thing that the children at that festival died. In a better world Hamas wouldn't have killed them when doing the attack, and in a better world still Hamas wouldn't have cause for the attack. But Hamas was right for trying to resist genocide even when their judgment was poor enough that they killed kids when doing so.

[–] Photonic@lemmy.world -2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

In this case the bullied kid shot up the school and not just the bully.

It also is a completely different situation than someone in a concentration camp beating up their own guard.

If you think the wasn’t wrong you support terrorism and aren’t any better than the terrorists themselves or the Israeli government.

[–] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If you think the wasn’t wrong you support terrorism

Yes. That is what we've been talking about. Terrorism was right when the suffragettes did it, it was right when John Brown did it, it was right when the French Resistance did it, and it's right when Hamas does it. Terrorism has a long history of being on the right side of history and of occasionally being the reason for history progressing in the right direction.

and aren’t any better than the terrorists themselves

So terrorism is at most as bad as a random keyboard warrior with bad opinions?

or the Israeli government.

So orchestrating genocide is at most as bad as a random keyboard warrior with bad opinions?

[–] Photonic@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

You’re just as bad as them since you support it if we follow your line of thinking from the Israeli government to the kids at the festival. And even worse because you don’t even know what opinions they held, I do know yours. You don’t get to choose. Either both are true or neither.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Those kids were celebrating and dancing near starving children, they were celebrating death. It was their own hubris that killed them and the arrogance of a military too incompetent to listen to their own reports. If Gaza had settlements they would be literally dancing surrounded by starving children and it would have been just as justified.

The oppressed does not need an excuse to execute a colonizer

[–] Photonic@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They were celebrating death? LOL what have you been smoking?

And the kids were colonizers and deserved to die? You sure about that? Pretty evil take here.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They were dancing and partying near the worlds biggest open air prison, within literal eyesight of oppression and death they were having fun. Almost certainly they supported the genocide and many of them (if not most of them) were soldiers.

[–] Photonic@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

From Wikipedia:

The organizers switched to the site only two days before, after the original location in southern Israel did not work out.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So what? They were colonizers and reactionaries, the entire land of Palestine is occupied under military rule and if a couple of "civillians" die then thats the cost of apartheid. People should not be allowed to sleep comfortably at night when their privilege comes at the expense of some peoples basic human rights.

[–] Photonic@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Maybe not them, but their kids should.

Anyway, I’m not going to have another discussion with another jihadist bot.

[–] Wilco@lemmy.zip 36 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think my favorite is them calling everyone Antifa ... that means "Antifacist" ... cons get mad about Antifa because they are Fascists.

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

tHe NaZiS wErE sOcIaLiSt (actually brain dead take I have heard)

[–] jaennaet@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

"It's right there in the name: 'national socialism'"

Much like the Democratic Republic of Korea is a democratic republic.

It's unbelievable how little conservatives understand about history, world politics, or… well, anything really

[–] osanna@lemmy.vg 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

You know, if you have to tell someone you are something, you probably aren’t. It should be evident.

[–] Wilco@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Indeed, people forget that union organizers were the first ones in the concentration camps. Germany had production issues that were caused by a very organized working class. The unions had to be dismantled, so the Nazi party blamed the Jewish. I have no clue how or why it worked, and used to think maybe historians had that wrong ... until now, we all see it happening in the US. We get our workers rights stripped away while the new nazi republican regime screams about immigrants.

[–] jaennaet@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

And people forget – or, more likely, never even knew in the first place – why "national socialism" was called that. The intention was to create an anticapitalist ideology that was in opposition to Marxist socialism, ie. good 'ol "third way" stuff.

They really were anticapitalist for a while, up until the Night of the Long Knives in 1934 when the strasserists and the Black Front got murked, and then the Nazis just sort of forgot about all that anticapitalist stuff and went all-in on privatisation and courting Big Money. The whole reason for the split between the strasserists and the "hitlerites" was that Hitler wasn't at all into anticapitalism: Otto Strasser thought that Hitler had betrayed national socialism by getting in bed with capitalists and formed the Black Front in… uh… fuck, early 30's I think. Naturally Hitler took that really well.

But yeah, the Nazis outlawed unions in favour of their corporatist vision (note that "corporatist" probably doesn't mean what you think it means if the term isn't familiar), and shoved anyone to the left of, well, the Nazis into concentration camps.

[–] some_guy 20 points 3 days ago

"But those kids were future terrorists!"

Zionist assholes

[–] smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 38 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Don't forget "terrorist".

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Only if wearing black.

[–] Test_Tickles@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

So, they want to criminalize too many colors (rainbows) and too few colors (all black)?

[–] NinePeedles@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

J’adore l’autrice Élise Gravel!

[–] 5PACEBAR@piefed.ca 6 points 2 days ago

Élise Gravel dans mon threadiverse ✨

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Would make more sense for the bunny to be getting arrested.

[–] null@lemmy.org 17 points 3 days ago

You don't have to build the concentration camp if you just bomb the kids.

[–] Yoddel_Hickory@piefed.ca 10 points 3 days ago

She makes the best comics for babies, and the best comics for adults it seems.