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Hey everybody,

We're foreigners here in Finland and we seem to be having a really difficult time finding a cat to share our lives with here.

Here's our problem:

In all the countries we've lived in, we pretty much always adopted strays from the street. Typically the cat walked inside in the summer or meowed at our back door, we gave it some food, it spent the night, and then of course we bonded with the cat and it stayed for years with us, going freely in and out of the house and doing cat things outside when it wasn't inside cuddling with us.

Either that, or we rescued a cat from the local shelter days or hours before it was due to be put down. Again, for some reason, we instantly bonded with the cat.

Since we moved to Finland 7 years ago, we've tried adopting a cat from a local shelter - to no avail.

Problem #1: there are no strays in Finland, because cats aren't legally allowed out. No cats out, no strays, no shelters.

Problem #2: because there are no strays here, cats are in short supply. And I'm saying this literally: the few shelters operating in my area told me cats come in and go within half an hour - and for top dollar too. They're not cheap! Even common grey striped cats you can find a dime a dozen in any other country's shelters.

So we turned to the commercial market. We bought a cat 2 or 3 years ago from a student who said she didn't have time to take care of the cat. Turned out, after spending a week with the cat, it was mental. We had to give it away because it was destroying the house.

2 months ago, we decided to try it again. We're now in a large property with a lot of space. I built a large fenced-off area for the cat to play outside legally. We bought a cat the previous owner said she "had an allergy" to and had to give it up.

Allergy my hiney... This cat is mental too. That's why the owner gave it away: the cat is nice enough, but it has so much energy it too tears the house apart. I'm not kidding: it runs around the house so much it managed to scratch half the wooden floor just by bolting repeatedly when it gets the crazies in its head.

We're loving cat people, but there's nothing we can do to calm it the hell down. So we're going to give it away too before it makes us insane. We had it sterilized, vaccinated, chipped.. the whole nine yards. But it's just a 24/7 tornado. We have to.

The more we look at cats on Tori, the more we can read between the lines now: all the cats listed there are sold because the current owners can't live with their cats either. They're all mental. The cats that aren't mental don't wind up on Tori.

So here's my proposal: if you have a cat you genuinely need to give away or sell for actual genuine reasons other than because the cat has behavioral problems, we would like to take your cat for a couple of weeks with us. If the cat is nice and friendly as you claim, we'll pay you triple what you ask for. If it isn't and you just want to pass the problem to someone else, we return the cat to you. All by contract of course, so neither you or we get shafted.

We're in the Oulu region.

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[–] blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's ironic how you're complaining about people having cats, not liking them and then "passing the problem onto someone else" when you've done exactly that.

Twice.

[–] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Do you think we don't know that? We feel awful about it. Particularly since it's an animal: it hasn't done anything wrong and it doesn't know why these things are happening to it.

But what's the alternative? Putting it down?

At least we give it away... And we warn the new owners that it's an energy bomb: we're not springing a nasty surprise on them - unlike the previous owners on us.

[–] schmorpel@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But then at least don't get another cat. It's clearly not working. 50 sqm outdoor space is not large, not for a cat. They walk a few kms a day when they can.

[–] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago

50 sqm outdoor space is not large, not for a cat. They walk a few kms a day when they can.

I know. But that's as good as I could make it for a cat that's not legally allowed to roam free. The alternative is to keep the cat indoors at all time, which is even more cruel.

But then at least don’t get another cat.

That is very much a possibility. If we can't make a cat happy with a large house and a large park, then maybe we shouldn't get a cat.

It's probably going mental because it can't go out and relentlessly murder things?

I've had cats all my life, I live in a capital city now so don't really want to get a cat that can get stolen or ran over or mauled by some dickhead's weapon dog.

The solution I discovered?

Get a rabbit. I'm being serious.

They're remarkably similar to cats in a strange way - affectionate, clean, can be toilet trained - plus their shits don't stink!

Only downside is that if you do get a rabbit it will probably try and eat everything you own.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Running around is a behavior problem? All my cars did that when they were younger. One is 6 and still does it. I keep their claws trimmed.

[–] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Running around is a behavior problem?

It is when it's 24/7

I keep their claws trimmed

We don't have to do that: it has a scratchboard inside the house, and it scratches the trees outside too. But it still manages to fuck up the wooden floor.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

24/7 is physically impossible. Running around like crazy is normal. One of my cats that didn't turned out to have a heart problem.

When one cat got especially bad and was taking out his energy on the other, I'd take him outside about 50 yards from the house, point him towards the house and then spook him to run back at full speed. 3-4 times repeated would get his running energy out for the next 12 hours. Or maybe he learned if he was too much he'd be taken outside to run which he didn't like.

But it still manages to fuck up the wooden floor.

The scratchpad is for them to sharpen their claws. You trim the claws so your floors don't get ruined.

[–] tae_glas@slrpnk.net 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

what are you doing for enrichment for the cat you currently have?

maybe you didn't mention it in your post, but it sounds like your cat potentially doesn't have enough enrichment. the issue could be solved by making sure that your cat gets tired out during the day, fulfilling their hunting instinct, being able to climb & hide in cat furniture, etc.

indoor cats need things like:

  • high furniture they can climb up onto & perch on,
  • hiding places to "pounce" from,
  • scratching posts & cat barrels in strategic places to mark with their scent (and so they don't scratch couches etc),
  • lots of toys to satisfy their hunting instincts (even some cheaper fishing rod toys can go a long way to tiring out energetic cats),
  • places they can look outdoors & birdwatch etc

a lot of young indoor cats would also really benefit from a cat exercise wheel, because young cats have so much energy to burn! if your cat's climbing the walls with energy, i'd highly recommend one, it can be a game-changer.

[–] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Like I said, the cat has a large fenced-off area to go outside. It can hunt insects in the shrubs, climb trees - up to the fence anyway... The area is over 50 sq.m. It is NOT small. And the cat can get in and out on its own with a cat flap.

On top of that, we keep playing with it. And boy! does it play. All. The. Time. When my wife gets tired, the cat brings her toys to play some more, and scratches her legs if she doesn't.

It's a healthy, playful and nice cat. The trouble is, it never tires. Like EVER. When we have to catch some shut-eye, it goes crazy and starts running inside the house, ruining the carpets and the floorboards.

We like it, but it's just not livable. And believe me, it's not for lack of trying.

[–] tae_glas@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

the outdoor area sounds great! and it's sweet that your cat brings toys to you, even if they're very insistent 😅

if the damage from their claws is the main problem, there are a few brands of claw caps ("soft paws" & "soft claws" are the main brands i know) that will stay on for a few weeks at a time until their claw sheds, then you replace any caps that have fallen off. they've been a lifesaver for me in rented places, and they're fairly cheap to order from ebay or wherever.

if having the zoomies at all is the main problem, then i would recommend getting them a cat exercise wheel & training them to use it; so along with the claw caps, they'll have somewhere to zoom around indoors without doing any damage.

i don't really know any cats that don't get the zoomies around the mornings and evenings, other than fairly sedate elderly cats, so if you're rehoming your cat to get a new one, i'd suggest looking for the oldest cats you can find, to avoid setting yourself up for disappointment & ending up back at square one.

[–] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

if having the zoomies at all is the main problem

It's not just that. It also destroys the furniture quite comprehensively, it keeps trying to go up - like all cats - at the cost of destroying whatever it needs to climb onto... and it's 24/7.

All the cats we've had in the past - and we've had many over the years - went crazy every once in a while: but they all calmed down within 15 / 30 minutes. Not this one: it's like that all the time, until it's so exhausted it collapses right there and then - and I'm not kidding: it will literally stop instantly and lie down on the floor wherever it happens to be. Then when it's rested, the insanity resumes.

[–] tae_glas@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 day ago

oof, it sounds like claw caps and a cat exercise wheel might be really helpful, so!

it sounds like you're in a pretty tough situation, i wish you & your cat the best of luck ❤️‍🩹

[–] alzymologist@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You just need second cat. And a dog. Better more than one. That's how we manage it here.

[–] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago (5 children)

You just need second cat

I thought about that. But then we'd have to adopt siblings who grew up together. Random cats that are brought together forcibly hate each other. They just tolerate each other because they have to. Cats aren't social animals in nature, unless they've been brought up together.

As for dogs, that's a no-no. We're not dog people. Like... at all. We can't stand then. And I myself have a deathly fear of dogs because I was badly mauled as a kid, and dogs feel the fear and instantly become aggressive around me.

[–] alzymologist@sopuli.xyz 3 points 18 hours ago

Random cats that are brought together forcibly hate each other.

well my 3 cats beg to differ

Uh no, you don't need siblings that grew up together to have multiple cats. I have a tabby and a Russian blue that get along wonderfully, and there are thousands of other examples you can find online.. like what? There are people with 4+ cats in the same house, you think they all got them from the same litter?? I'm not going to say it always works out, but it's very doable if you introduce them to each other properly.

You having the same exact experience with two different cats and chalking it up to them being "mental" makes one wonder if the problem is the cats at all. You describe your former cats as only getting zoomies "once in a while" or once in the morning and once at night, which suggests you've never had a juvenile cat, or you had one that was oddly lacking in energy. Young cats are terrorists if you don't get the energy out, and yes, that means playing with them past the point of you being tired.

[–] BorgDrone@feddit.nl 9 points 1 day ago

Random cats that are brought together forcibly hate each other. They just tolerate each other because they have to.

This has never been a problem for me. It may take a little while but they end up getting along just fine.

Cats aren't social animals in nature, unless they've been brought up together.

Cats are actually quite social. I think this misconceptions stems from the fact that cats are solitary hunters (unlike dogs who hunt in packs). Outside hunting they have quite an active social life, which is exactly why you shouldn’t have just one cat, especially if it’s not allowed to go outside and mingle with other cats.

[–] schmorpel@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 day ago

You'd be surprised how social cats are. They don't necessarily hate each other, at least not all of them. What they consider friendly and social among each other might be hard for us to notice.

Alone is hard for an animal. Then again, if you find living with a destroyed (scratched?) floor very difficult you might not want to have more animals.

I have more animals I can count and my bf next door has more - cats, dogs, poultry, pigs, sheep, donkeys, horses all move around among each other. Nobody here has behavioural problems, and even interspecies communication is quite non-aggressive and smooth. Having enough space to get out of each other's way is important, and having enough space in general. When I see how urban pets are kept I get depressed - isolation, boredom, narrow spaces. Of course they go mental!

[–] tyler@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago

You do not have to adopt siblings that grew up together. You just have to introduce them slowly, with a door between them for a few weeks. We have two cats that are over 6 years apart. They play and keep each other entertained and have so for over a decade now.

[–] Triumph@fedia.io 4 points 1 day ago

I mean, Finland is a big country. If you're looking for a specific cat, it could be anywhere.

[–] PetteriPano@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It sounds to me like you were looking to get a dog but got a cat instead.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

From reading more comments, I'm not understanding how the op has cats at all. When I said trim the claws because of floor damage he said he has a scratching post. That means he doesn't know that scratching posts sharpen claws. This also implies that he doesn't relate the the floor damage was from the claws and therefore trimming the claws would solve the problem.

I think "AI" is thrown around too much but I don't know what to say.