Gosh.. Who enabled this I wonder. What major informers of voters was a key proponent of 'actually Trump is probably a better choice than Biden'.
Fuck.. if only we had the capability to search the past for answers.
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What % of NYT readers voted for Trump? It has to be minuscule.
The election was so close, there are dozens of but-for causes that could have tipped the scale, but the NYT not being sufficiently alarmist about Trump (which is what that CNN article you linked claims - not that the paper was a proponent of Trump, as you say) probably wasn’t one of them.
Democrat turnout was pretty abysmal, and the media sanewashing of trump certainly contributed to some of that.
Running a candidate who nobody voted for in a primary probably contributed to it as well.
WELL I FUCKING VOTED FOR HER. She was right there on the ticket, under Biden. I have enough of a brain to realize if Biden couldn't run anymore she would naturally be the candidate.
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yeah. Not being a member of political party is terrifying to many people. Joining the republicans is an impossibility to many people, so they hold their nose and join the Dems, who couldnt give two shites what the voters want. As we saw in that election.
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There was an article EVERY FUCKING DAY from 2020 to 2024 about Trump in the nyt. If the media would have ignored him, and not platformed him every fucking day maybe just maybe he would not have had a chance
The media coverage leading up to the election was infuriating. If that's how the masses get their information, then it absolutely does skew the outcome of elections.
Maybe NYT was just one slice of the cake, but add up all the other major media outlets that were sanewashing trump and skirting over his many glaring issues, while piling on Biden and later Kamala and nitpicking them with the finest-toothed of combs, and the problem becomes obvious.
America didn't give Trump a second chance. That implies he was caught and convicted, and punished for something he did wrong.
He did not spend a single day in jail. His sentence in New York was effectively commuted.
He was never even charged at the federal level.
He was allowed to continue his tyranny.
Because Democrats refused to actually hold him to account.
Because Democrats refused to actually hold him to account.
because they don't want to set any precedents for their own fuckery.
It's all gotta go
You'll never convince me that Elon didn't rig the election.
He literally paid people to vote for trump. In the open.
Nobody needs to be convinced of that. That is a fact. What you need to do is convince the people in power that that should be a punishable offense. But he put the people on power on power, so why would they punish him.
He definitely influenced it. Like, massively. But directly, hands on....? Yeah maybe lol
Seriously, though, i wish we knew. On character judgement and history and intent and everything? Yes 100% absolutely. But have evidence? Hard to investigate with Nazis running almost all of the government.
If only there had been a recount, even any small investigation
The US put a gun to its head in 2016. In 2024, it pulled the trigger.
The New York Times is partly responsible for this. The bullshit centrist coverage by mainstream media allowed the Democrats to shift to the right, which led to Hillary and her loss.
Seriously, NY Times and all of Mass Media gave us Trump by sane washing his absolute batshittery for clicks.
A Project 2029 cannot be a collection of Democratic Party agenda items. It must articulate a broad new conception of the nation’s political order — one that will guide the way a future Democratic-led government might wield power. Above all, Democrats must have a plan for reconstruction — for building something new on the wreckage of what President Trump, MAGA and the Republican Party have wrought — not restoration of what was.
The whole article puts eloquent prose to the thoughts in my head (looking from outside the US) as to what the USA needs to recover post-Trump; it's more than striving to going back to normal.
The issue is that centrist Democratic voices have been kind of developing their vision by committee over any aims to make it cohesive and comprehensive. In my view the plan has to recognize and tackle these three things:
- Internal complacency within the Democratic party to do good things for people rather than just talk about them
- Reforming the outdated systems that simply relied on trust that the system wouldn't corrupt itself or overlook corruption.
- Fixing the destruction caused by the Trump administration, then taking steps to prevent a cult like Congress and a bought-and-paid-for judiciary to surrender the republic to the executive.
The important thing is you can't grandfather in the corruption while you fix it.
The important thing is you can't grandfather in the corruption while you fix it.
100% this (from an Americanist's perspective). Just think of slavery and how it was enshrined in the constitution despite being on the way out. You had to have a whole-ass civil war, shooting and all, to fix it. And arguably still didn't, cf. the pervasiveness of Confederate nostalgia and the prison industrial complex.
The same forces that successfully lobbied to keep slavery going are lobbying to keep systemic corruption going. Telling you at every opportunity in all the media outlets they bought that it's the American way, baby!
The only solution to this mess is to finally redefine who "We the People" actually are. If it's still going to be a bunch of rich white dudes with an aversion to taxes, woe betide you.
Of course that raises the question who would have the authority to perform this redefinition and how they would gain it. Barring a bona fide revolution, I just don't see it at this point.
Thoughts and prayers from Europe.
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We broke it giving him a first chance.
This. When he won for the first time it was clear US is not a serious country anymore. Everyone just kept pretending it is for as long as they could.
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My will to live (edit: In the US).
They broke my will to live (edit: In the US).
You need to recast that. They broke your will to live in the U.S.. There are still some nice places in the world.
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Trump is a symptom of a problem that’s been brewing since the heritage foundation formed in the 1970s.
No, when the American Civil War was ended without ending all of the enemy leadership. Giving clemency to traitors who are fundamentally evil, was and is a foolish thing to do.
If there is a 2nd American Civil War, it is a lesson worth remembering.
America was broken before this. Giving Trump a second chance (or a first) was a symptom.
America was broken, that’s why trump got elected. Everything from education to financial security is an ongoing disaster. Then trump & co. destroyed the rest.
I think it's pulling the bandaid off. The US was already on its way to being the capitalist beast it is. Getting eyes on this is great and gives the chance for other countries to get more leverage.
And the folks that weren't planning on waking up got their call.
capitalist beast
I agree with the sentiment but this phrasing in this era makes it sound like a good thing. May I suggest monster?
I'm for second chances.....when the stakes are lower. A waiter messes up a few people's orders, you give him a chance to improve. A president of a country steals classified documents and attempts a violent coup to stay in power, you ban from ever being in a position of power again
The people capable of preventing him from to getting back into office condoned what he did. The oligarchy will never charge one of their own
Broke ain't the right word. Revealed could be used, or accelerated.
Simple people love simple answers.
It's a lot easier to blame trump personally and pretend we'd have been fine without him. Even tho most of the people saying Trump's the only problem, said the same thing about Bush.
It's easier to blame the sacrifice goat (especially when the goat is evil) than it is to understand if that goat was never born the same people would have just brought out a different goat.
Republican and neoliberal presidents are always just empty suits for the oligarchs.
But simple people never pay enough attention, they don't look past the surface. They'll never understand how to fix the underlying condition, because they only notice symptoms.
Naw. America stopped pretending when it reelected Trump.
(Nick cage "you don't say" meme)
The USA has been falling apart since 1975 and voting for MAGA, not once, but twice is accelerating the process.
For 10 years every media outlet on the country has had to repeatedly show his face and play his voice throughout every single day of broadcast and publication. I'm tired bro, I'm so tired. I can't live in a world where every screen in the country is his face constantly staring at me. So I turned it off. I'm not ignoring what's going on in the world, but everywhere that normalized him lost me. NY Times, NPR, all of it. What broke in this country is I'm not the customer anymore of our traditional media system. And when he attacks those institutions, what am I supposed to do about it? Cry? You made your bed.
The total lack of selfawareness is staggering.
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