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For nearly a decade, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has been engaged in a top-down rebrand meant partly to solidify its focus and bona fides as a Christian religion.

The U.S. Department of Defense, led by conservative evangelical Pete Hegseth, appears unconvinced.

On Friday, spokesperson Sean Parnell confirmed on social media a report that the department had trimmed its list of recognized religious affiliations, used by its chaplains, from more than 200 to 31.

The Latter-day Saint faith was among those to make the cut. But there was a catch.

The list denotes 20 faiths as Christian, including Catholic, Orthodox Christian, Baptist and Jehovah’s Witnesses. Not, however, the Utah-based faith.

Asked by The Salt Lake Tribune if this omission was intentional, a member of the department’s press team pointed to the statement posted by Parnell.

The Office of the Secretary of War is announcing a significant change to the Department’s categorization of religious affiliation. In a long overdue move, we reduced the list from over 200 unmanageable categories to 31. With this move, we are returning to the original intent of… https://t.co/dgHX5ytzjJ pic.twitter.com/eho537O08J — Sean Parnell (@SeanParnellASW) June 5, 2026

“This decrease in religious affiliation codes is not designed to make any claims on the legitimacy of any faith or religious belief, nor is it intended to provide a list of ‘officially approved’ religions,” he wrote. “Rather, it is designed to allow chaplains to quickly look at the religious composition of their units and determine how they structure resources to best provide for warfighters of all faith groups.”

However, an accompanying video by Hegseth seemed to suggest the change wasn’t entirely one of streamlining bureaucracy.

“In previous administrations, our Chaplain Corps was infected by political correctness and secular humanism,” he said. “...Faith and virtue were traded for self-help and self-care. We started correcting that drift [in December], and today we’re going further.”

Asked if the church planned to respond, a spokesperson for the faith pointed to the FAQ portion of its website. It reads: “Latter-day Saints believe God sent his son, Jesus Christ, to save all mankind from death and their individual sins. Jesus Christ is central to the lives of church members.”

Utah Sens. Mike Lee and John Curtis, both members of the church, took to social media Saturday to condemn the seeming snub, with Curtis stating he is “working now to ensure a correction is made.”

Among those eliminated were Unitarian Universalists, various Wiccans, deists, atheists and others, according to Military.com, the first to report the news.

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[–] uberdroog@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

We are at the stage where the ingroup is restricting. Cool.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 hours ago

The government recognizing some religions and not others is contrary to the founding principles. Too bad the Supreme Court is corrupted by all those Opus Dei reactionaries, otherwise the regulation would be thrown out immediately as unconstitutional.

[–] InfernoWarrior@piefed.social 9 points 11 hours ago

If you believe Yeshua is the 'Son of God' and died for our sins, you are a Christian. It is that simple. Nobody else other than Christians believe it. Mormons believe it. They are Christian.

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Among those eliminated were Unitarian Universalists, various Wiccans, deists, atheists and others, according to Military.com, the first to report the news.

Weren’t the fuckin’ “Founding Fathers” deists? lol

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

That was what jumped out at me too. Yes, they were (depending on the individuals and how you interpret their various letters and essays on the matter) either deists or Unitarians. Thomas Paine wrote the famous deist essay Age of Reason, for example.

Basically “God created us, but has been hands-off ever since. It’s up to us to create a good world where people can exist in harmony, instead of counting on God to do it.”

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world -4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

That's cause there not. They're Mormons. They believe in Christian fan fiction, not actual Christianity. Pretty sure they don't even teach the bible, as least not as much as the BoM.

Broken Clocks. All religions are fake anyway.

[–] CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

They do teach the bible, but not in the same way. The Book of Mormon is an addendum/supplement to the bible, and they use it to help "understand" what the bible "really" means, and they use the bible to clarify things in the BoM as well.

Basically, they carry and read both.

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world -4 points 3 hours ago

Well IDK if it was you that downvoted me but thanks for basically confirming what I said.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

I think that since they believe Jesus is the gatekeeper to Heaven, they do qualify (according to Jesus).

I understand Christian reluctance to accept Mormons as "neighbors in Christ", as it is a more modern sect and was a blatant scam to the point of absurdity with no mysterious missing pieces to tantalize the imagination.

Maybe this reveals more about Christianity then they would like.

I've read the Book of Mormon, it's weird, almost silly.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 5 points 14 hours ago

Sean Parnell confirmed on social media a report that the department had trimmed its list of recognized religious affiliations, used by its chaplains, from more than 200 to 31.

I'm curious which others were dropped. That's a lot of faiths.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 23 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

I love this.

You might be asking why? Every Mormon I know is a staunch Trump supporter. The fact that it's coming back on them so quickly is just chef's kiss.

[–] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 14 points 19 hours ago

Half the Mormons I know hate his guts. But that's sample size and social bias, probably. The only Mormons I willingly still associate with hate the dude's fucking guts.

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[–] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 57 points 23 hours ago

Ah yeah, every conservative minority ever. “But we were on your team guys!?”

[–] Tryenjer@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (15 children)

Hegseth is a wicked and despicable drunkard, but let's be honest, Mormons were never Christians, and if people started to consider them as such, they might as well consider Muslims and Jews as Christians too. I am more surprised that Jehovah's Witnesses are considered Christians on that list.

[–] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 16 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Speaking strictly as an ex-Mormon, I'm going to have to disagree with you there. Personal lived experience, they're definitely Christian. They're also a cult, and the religion is based on a pack of lies, but no bones about it; they do, in fact, believe in Jesus. They put Joseph Smith on the same level as St. Peter, but they don't worship him.

I don't get why people say they aren't Christian. Every time someone tries to explain it to me, it's a wildly different set of guidelines every time.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago

I don’t get why people say they aren’t Christian.

The traditional guideline is the Nicene Creed. I dont know if LDSers would sign up to that.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (24 children)

Mormons believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ, that makes them Christian. Sorry that you don't like that, but it is what it is.

[–] spamfajitas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

This is really the core of it. If someone starts nitpicking over the other details, they've just joined a crowd of ~46,400 other groups all called Christians arguing in a similar way.

Also it's understandable the source would focus on Mormons but I find Unitarian Universalists getting cut way more offensive. They're like the care bears of religion, come on now.

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[–] Uranus_Hz@lemmy.zip 7 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Muslims also believe in Jesus. Does that make them Christian as well?

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 8 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

No, Christ isn't the center of it. Christ to Muslims is like Abraham to Christians in a way. It's not a perfect analogy but gets the gist across.

[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I'd define a Christian as someone that thinks Jesus of Nazareth's time on earth and his teachings were the most supernaturally important of anyone ever.

Muslim's believe Muhammad's teachings were more important. I think Bahai's revere Jesus similarly to muslims. I don't really know what Mormons believe, but I think they'd meet my threshold for Christendom. The fact that they also want to be called Christian is a major tick in their favour.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago

Muslim’s believe Muhammad’s teachings were more important.

Only because they believe that the revelation to Muhammad was faithfully recorded at the time, while the Christian record of Jesus's teachings was corrupted by being an oral tradition that changed and was corrupted. Islam believes that there were 99 prophets, Muhammad being the last. And they all taught the same thing. Abraham was a Muslim, so was Jesus. And all the prophets were mortal men, not semi-divine figures.

[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 14 points 21 hours ago

Leopards have a steady diet of faces these days.

I'd feel bad for the Mormons, but they're a bunch of shitheads, like most religious organizations.

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