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[–] Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

That's a whole lot of opinions just to say 'hey, you forgot these office suites were EU and existed for quite a while so we think the terminology you're using is confusing, and we don't agree about using that format as a default'. Seems pretty straight forward and I think I agree. Implementing a popup explaining and then presenting the choice for formats might be a cool middle ground.

But EU-Office is not trying to do a hostile takeover of LibreOffice as far as I know, and having a well maintained fork could lead to mutual benefits. I don't really get the hostility, if it's FOSS, it's FOSS.

[–] soulsource@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 week ago

Euro-Office is based on OnlyOffice, and therefore not a LibreOffice fork.

[–] Eat_Your_Paisley@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Back in the land of reality governments have decades of office documents Ina proprietary format that need to be delt with so any office suite at least in the beginning need to access to them as written.

[–] Daxter101@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

It's almost as if a suite's capability to open a format is not tied to its default format.

According to the article, Euro-Office defaults to Microsoft's format, instead of .ods, so the whole "sovereignty" argument sure seems to be getting kicked down there road for later, while being used for maximum marketing.

It's just standard corner-cutting hypocrisy.

[–] CameronDev@programming.dev 1 points 1 week ago

There are also decades document management systems, databases and other 3rd party tools that only speak ooxml. Defaulting to odf guarantees that documents will be incompatible, which will cause unnecessary friction.

All it takes is one high up civil servant to hit this issue, say "The MS tools never did this", and the entire transition will be in jeopardy. The people using these tools want to create documents that are compatible, that is ALL they care about.

HDDVD and betamax lost the format war. So did ODF. Its time to move on.

[–] Eat_Your_Paisley@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Again they have decades of documents that need to be dealt with so of course its going to default to MS format, I figured people would get that. I use Softmaker office for the exact same reason because in the real world I need to deal with the format.

[–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago

Libreoffice accepts both. Why Eurooffice can't is a wonder truly worth of research

SarcasmI just want an excuse to have an inside look at EU's inner working on tech

[–] Don_alForno@feddit.org 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

they have decades of documents that need to be dealt with so of course its going to default to MS format,

You are not making sense. What formats can be opened and read has nothing to do with what format the software defaults to (when writing).

[–] Eat_Your_Paisley@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It does because governments have to interact with people, companies, and governments that use MS Office. They can probably get along internally with whatever format they choose but that doesn't apply to their customers.

[–] alsimoneau@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Seems like a good way to spread adoption of ods then!

[–] Eat_Your_Paisley@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Except it won't people will just playing the handoff game with pdf's further solo ing things down.

Euro office is doing things the right way

[–] CameronDev@programming.dev 1 points 1 week ago

It would be a great way to piss people off.

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why is "digital sovereignty" the current buzzword? That word can clearly mean both good things and bad things. It's a good thing when it means giving people and organizations control over their own computing (instead of some cloud provider or proprietary software company).

But there's no inherent value in insisting on "European software"; proprietary software doesn't become any better because it was developed in Europe, nor is free software bad because it wasn't developed in Europe.

The term can even mean things I would consider bad, such as: extending the application of laws to foreign entities on the Internet, which usually leads to censorship. I certainly don't want digital sovereignty like the People's Republic of China does it!

[–] one_old_coder@piefed.social 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Why is “digital sovereignty” the current buzzword?

You surely have noticed that the US government and most big US companies have been stealing our data for years?

European software is a "branding" around free software that is trying to say away from Trump, Microsoft, and all the other idiots. It took 20 years for the governments to do something about it, and I agree they have been too slow, but at least they are doing something.

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

European software is a “branding” around free software

except, it's not, they are entirely separate concepts; if people want to promote free software, they should say that

[–] one_old_coder@piefed.social 0 points 1 week ago

You forgot: around free software that is trying to say away from Trump, Microsoft, and all the other idiots