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Electric Vehicles are a key part of our tomorrow and how we get there. If we can get all the fossil fuel vehicles off our roads, out of our seas and out of our skies, we'll have a much better environment. This community is where we discuss the various different vehicles and news stories regarding electric transportation.
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Combustion cars don't need defending, they need phasing out.
And it is simply dumb to insist on combustion cars at this point. Toyota had some kind of advantage with hybrids way back, then they went and squandered a bunch of money and time on hydrogen which is also dumb, maybe even dumber...
EV-drivetrain hybrids (eg an EV with a small battery + ~3 horsepower range extender) are a good idea, though.
It's kind of the best of both worlds. And insanely fuel efficient, even if one uses that generator all the time.
ICE drivetrain hybrids are insane, though. It was the only option at the time, but it's also basically the worst of both worlds.
I think the problem is marketing, though.
Try explaining the hybrid distinction to a layman. Or to a snooty, higher end EV buyer turning their nose up at anything that takes gas.
I'd much rather have a full-size battery than a 30-hp ICE "range extender". I wish I could keep my PHEV in EV mode all the time.
The thing is , no matter how fuel efficient they are, you are just burning the stuff, finite and hard to get stuff. And there is also everything else about emissions, climate change and more that I don't really know
Technology connections has an interesting video about renewables in general.
Good
says he feels "very alone" in defending combustion engines
Maybe stop doing that?
He's outright saying he'd rather defend combustion than satisfy demand.
I thought he'd double down on hydrogen.
this is so Japanese......
almost every time i watch Japanese news program, some capitalist elderly straight male (probably also predator) is complaining about social progress and using emotional appeals like "it's sad that traditional men aren't valued anymore..."
when that isn't even true in any empirical sense!
fucking get off the planet, comb-over!
Like an astronomer defending heliocentrism.
Its old tech with a finite fuel source thats only getting continued because of other stupid old fucks.
Then stop defending combustion engines. Read the room.
Absolutely mind-melting to hear reps from a company that salvaged the concept of GE's EV-1 and turned it into the wildly popular Prius turn around and bemoan battery powered cars.
What causes executives in the automotive industry to commit these acts of self-harm so consistently?
Their yes-men
Uh..they make cars people buy? You guys live in a fantasy world. 3 of 4 cars selling right now are ICE.
Aptera
Canoo
Nicola
Bollinger
Tesla
Are just a few examples of EV companies broke or going broke.
. 3 of 4 cars selling right now are ICE.
2 in 3 as of last quarter, and it's a number that continues to shrink year over year
And you're delusional if you think Tesla is "broke". They have a trillion dollar line of credit
business degrees
Yes, you’re alone in defending a technology that after a century of intensifying development has 40% efficiency, consumes a limited, nonrenewable resource, and has significant responsibility for potentially human-extinction-causing climate change.
You feckless idiot!
Look Ive been a petrolhead for 30 years and Ive driven a few EVs and even if they are faster and more efficient they lack personality, they are less fun and engaging to drive and that is the ONLY point I will defend them on. The vroom vroom makes me happy.
Everything else... yeah they dont make sense going forward.
"My feelings are more important than your life" kinda vibe. Sure, let's kill the planet because loud noises are fun.
I agree with that. It’s the imperfection of the engine and transmission - and the proper feedback from mechanical steering and brakes that gives the Ice cars personality and I miss that. EVs are appliances. I think they’ll be like horses. Hobbyist specialties.
I don’t love my EV like some of my previous cars but i haven’t had or made time to properly work on my cars so I do appreciate not needing to do work on the EV - so far.
There's something to this. EVs might be a little too easy. At least at first.
I hope once we start wrecking them up and getting access to low cost parts and such, people will start getting inventive.
Right now, they're too good and too expensive. Suppliers, supply chains, therefore competition is all on the other side of the planet.
We've already seen some stripped down and supped up Tesla's, and I saw someone who bolted a motor to an old Toyota by just cramming it to the transmission with half a clutch welded on.
Too good? Tesla makes the worst cars you can buy right now.
Well, as far as speed. They're limited by the tires right now and that's been the driving force behind a lot of motorheads here for a while.
I’m quite hopeful that there’s a resurgence of tinkering in the EV world - primarily because this whole situation wherein the unavailability of a single board for a car made in 1993 simply bricks it, and EVs are just a collection of “modules”. We need people to rebuild batteries and inverters and all that.
The Fisker bankruptcy is a small scale example where owners have gotten some stuff working again.
I think you might have missed the exhaust killing hundreds of millions of people. No biggie I suppose.