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[–] Uranus_Hz@lemmy.zip 1 points 8 minutes ago

I identify as a “honkee”

[–] halvar@lemy.lol 9 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I don't know... I've always found Kaczinsky an interesting guy, but now that I'm around halfway through his book, I find his arguements surprisingly weak as in he doesn't really put a lot of effort into justifying the basics. He just goes on to say "yeah obfuscating the process of survival is bad" and sure I can see how some people might find hunting rabbits with bows more fulfilling than looking at Excel all day but if you don't accept that immediately then his arguements become pretty weak.

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 hours ago

I'm impressed you made it half way, the man was not a natural writer by any means.

[–] TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

getting older is realizing the Unabomber may have had a point...

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 8 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] huquad@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

In the beginning the Universe was created. This had made many people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.

[–] TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

froopy dude coming though

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I would argue that the Agricultural Revolution was the turning point that set humanity on its current path, for better and worse.

To be fair, life before agriculture was often harsh, but many of the problems that define civilization today, such as large-scale warfare, rigid social hierarchies, widespread inequality, organized slavery, and systemic exploitation, became possible only after humans settled down and began producing agricultural surpluses.

Regardless of what is happening in the world right now, we are living in one of the most peaceful and prosperous periods in human history. Aside from the anti-vaccination movement, which is a travesty for humanity, we have the best medicine, the highest life expectancy, and the lowest infant mortality rates in history.

That said, I suspect humans are better adapted to living in small migratory bands of hunters and gatherers than in large, sedentary urban societies. Civilization has given us extraordinary technology and material comfort, but it may have come at the cost of the social structures, physical activity, and close-knit communities that humans evolved to thrive in.

[–] 5wim@infosec.pub 1 points 13 minutes ago

Ever read Ishmael by Daniel Quinn?

[–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (4 children)

Why are people supporting this inane view is so strange to me. The results of no industrial revolution would be a lack of medicine and widespread famine, on a scale no place on earth has ever seen.

If you care about the health of disabled people, if you care about minorities, if you care about workers, then this view is untenable. Its one step shy of full on fascism, "final solution" style. I have more sympathy for absolute misanthropy than this; at least it's honest.

[–] Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip 0 points 32 seconds ago

Kaczynski was the proto Incel-Shooter.
Had his head way up his own ass, really weird thoughts on women and all this was somehow the fault of everybody else. Him getting glazed as somehow good or admirable leaves a real foul taste in my mouth every time.

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

A desire to return to the norm of humanity for the last 15,000 years does not seem immediately similar to fascism. In fact, your immediate violent dismissal of it is concerning.

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

the industrial revolution could have been done without capitalism actively choosing to destroy so many lives in the name of profit..

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Kaczynski was a quintessential reactionary ecofascist, no additional qualifier required. But a lot of people have their first encounter with radical social critique in his writings, so absent any further critical theory his direct acts are often categorized as romantic rebellion, rather than the grossly misdirected randomized murders that they were.

It's quite the coincidence that as soon as there was a charismatic (In a way) Harvard grad with a CIA mind-control experiment in his past writing wheat pasted manifestos about technology as the root of all evil while he blew up civilian science researchers, NYTimes - The supposed dignified record of the political center - Was willing to post that shit in full page spread, unsolicited. They didn't do anything of the sort for a certain charismatic alleged green mario, when he identified social class as the blame. It's almost as if social hierarchy wants to skirt blame for it's externalities and instead misdirect it onto scapegoats.

[–] nomy@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago

Slight correction, I believe the NYTimes printed Industrial Society and Its Future because Kaczynski told them he'd stop mailing bombs if they did. The FBI and Janet Reno (AG at the time) both pushed for it and its publication directly led to his brother recognizing the writing as Ted's and his subsequent capture.

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 37 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Big Ted. What a nice nickname for someone who I'm sure was a nice young man.

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 13 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

His MKULTRA handler gave it to him

"Hey Big Ted how's your brain feeling"

"Good enough to mostly make sense" Industrial Society and its Future

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 7 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

We are undeniably better off because of the industrial revolution. It's caused problems but those are well worth it for the benefit.

[–] TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Socialism has been the death of more people mainly because of Capitalist sanctions/meddling to make it fail.

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

would the children working in sweat shops in … rolls dice … the US agree with this?

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 points 4 hours ago

Wait till you hear about slave labor conditions

[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Right now*

We've almost caused, and now will forever have the capacity to cause, a mass extinction event with nuclear bombs. If the cold war had turned hot we probably wouldn't be saying the industrial revolution was "worth it".

There's also the more slow motion extinction event in the form of climate change.

But yes for those living in the west from 1950 ~ 2150 it's a good deal

To quote Zhou Enlai when asked in 1968 about the impacts of the French revolution "it's too early to say"

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

We are currently experiencing a mass extinction event on a similar scale but greater speed than the Permian mass extinction.

CURRENTLY. It is getting worse.

[–] binux@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Only if you’re basing your assertion on inherently biased criteria. For many in the west it’s better sure, but what about the majority of people in impoverished countries, or less fortunate people in general? How about non-human species that have been losing their natural habitats to pollution and global warming inch by inch, or just human interference in general? Or even species that have been outright driven to extinction by human activity?

I’m not so sure any of that is worth it for a new smart phone every year with only marginally better features. And I hear the new hyped-up technology is pretty much the epitome of an infinite amount of monkeys on typewriters desperate to type up Shakespeare.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Yes humans suck. There was much more of this before the industrial revolution.

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Are you sure? There are an order of magnitude more people around now. And most are still not doing great. So now we have a massive explosion in the net amount of suffering in order to boost the joy of a few people by a few bits.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 points 3 hours ago

What the fuck do you think life was like in the middle ages?

[–] Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world 10 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

Learning to walk upright and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

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[–] sunsofold@lemmy.zip 4 points 9 hours ago

Our poor spines.

[–] Bipauler@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago

This is totally my mood today

[–] ol_capt_joe@piefed.ee 18 points 10 hours ago (5 children)

Industrial revolution stands on the shoulders of a giant called the agricultural revolution.

I brake for hunter gatherers.

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[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

I read his writing for the first time recently. It certainly sticks with you. He was certainly no dummy. I still take issue with some of his stances. Big of me, I know.

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 10 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I was about to say, you nod along with Ted until he starts into the racist bits.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Also his entire argument, which is pretty well-structured, completely hinges on certain things he just takes for granted. Namely, that the number of people that would be harmed by his approach might be far greater than continuing on this current path. I don't know whether he's right or wrong about that, but it's PRETTY CRUCIAL, and I feel there's tons of room for nuance. He, in his frustration, seemingly reduced the potential deaths of tens of millions (if not more) to, "Eh. Fuck it, it's probably better," best I can tell. He offers plenty of diagnoses, but no real remedies or cures.

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I made an attempt to read that guy's book once. Holy hell the man is a nutter, and not a writer by any means.

I made it a quarter of the way through, if that. Absolute waffle.

[–] robocall@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Yum! 😋 Waffles!

[–] tomi000@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago
[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 7 points 11 hours ago (5 children)

Fun fact: You wouldn't be driving behind them or honking your horn if it wasn't for the industrial revolution.

The more you know...

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

This bumper sticker is just an edgier version of the "I bought this before Elon went crazy" one.

[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 18 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

You wouldn't be driving [...]

God that'd have been nice. I rarely drive my car but even that's too much for me. "Hi, yes I would love to sit still staring at another car's bumper for long periods of time where not focusing entirely could kill myself and others. I LOVE being required by urban planning to do that and LOVE being required to spend tens of thousands on maintaining the luxury of it"

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 7 points 11 hours ago (3 children)
[–] 0ops@piefed.zip 6 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

I still maintain that the humble bicycle is one of humanities greatest inventions. Cheap to build, can be maintained with spit and love, the most efficient mode of transport, and fun to top it off

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I'd say the bicycle easily makes the top 10 of all-time best inventions of humanity.

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[–] robocall@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

The bicycle cured my diabetes

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[–] HeHoXa@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 hours ago

Maybe I'm givin' 'en too much credit, but that seems like the joke

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