Disclaimer: I wrote "idiot" to describe someone who paid for the product not because they're actually idiots, but it's because Microsoft is treating them like that: their official solution on the website is "simply subscribe to the latest and greatest or buy a new "perpetual" license to office 2024 to continue using what you paid for"
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Nah I think you summed it up pretty well. People who bought an overpriced machine, and then decided they'd run overpriced software on it. Two companies I wouldn't touch with a galaxy sized pole. If they didn't learn anything from them before this, they will be as described.
i think people should be able to live peacefully as idiots without being fucked over by greedy corpos but thats just me i guess
no, actually, STOP BLAMING THE IDIOTS YOU FUCKING DOUCHEBAG. HELP THEM MAKE BETTER CHOICES IF YOURE SO GODDAMN MUCH BETTER THAN THEM.
i hate your antisocial holier than thou attitude
You going to make it?
When you try, they just laugh. They're not going to verify anything. They do it on purpose. It is their fault.
"people that are stupider than me, that's their fault"
Whelp you heard it here first folks, apparently some people get to manually allocate IQ points before birth?
Weird thing quotes are. Ignorance, which is what I was describing in this case is intentional.
No the original commenter said idiot, with some caveats that it's not because the people are stupid, it's because they're being treated like idiots by the company, and you reply, yeah no actually they are just idiots
You never wrote the word ignorance before now
Bulshitt ass backpeddling. You have only written 'its their own fault' untill now. And then you try to act like 'oh my god dude I've only been referring to people keeping themselves wilfully ignorant...'
Okay then fucking write out the words you mean instead of all this other horsecock that you apparently can't stand by.
Or are we really gonna pretend 'idiot' doesn't mean stupid?
You win, you are the best, have a good day.
Jesus christ just apologize and move on how hard is it to say "yeah sorry that was a bit rude"
Instead of this passive aggressive stinkpiece
Have some dignity, please
Lmfao go fuck yourself. That was a half hearted attempt to leave this alone. You came at me with personal attacks white-knighting for people I described as ignorant without using the word ignorant, tripled down and now you want an apology?
Please tell me what ignorant means.
Fuck you too my man. The 'ignorant' thing is entirely a pivot. You've only mentioned it now after several comment doubling down on them being idiots and that's its their own fault.
Being willfully ignorant and an idiot are entirely different things and had you said wilfully ignorant there would have been no discussion at all.
And I'm not accepting you trying to act like I'm the unreasonable one for pointing out that what you wrote is a fucking asshole thing to say. And if you didn't mean it like, then that should've been clarified long ago, with a 'yeah that was a rude framing what i actually meant was this:'
Instead of acting like you have been saying reasonable stuff all along, when no, you've only pivoted to a reasonable proposition now, in the face of criticism
It's not a pivot, it's expanding.
If they didn't learn anything from them before this, they will be as described.
Explain to me what being ignorant is
Edit: and a reminder, we're arguing about words you put in my mouth.
If you wanted an actual discussion you would have started one. This is my last reply.
"AS DESCRIBED" IN THAT CONTEXT WOULD MEAN IDIOT, AS THAT WAS HOW THE ONE YOU REPLIED TO DESCRIBES THEM
Edit:
i did start an 'actual discussion'
Where do you buy a galaxy sized pole?
Costco
I wouldn't even want to pirate it. I like LibreOffice a lot better.
I do some work for an org that is MS office centric. They provide me with an office license, and space in one drive. I essentially use office to check final output to share with them, but do the actual work in LO. The only thing that goes in onedrive is their stuff.
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The usual lot says Excel is better. Haven't found a difference yet.
I used excel daily in a corporate environment for the last 10 years of my working life lots of VBA etc. I was the person people came to for excel help. I'm now retired and treasurer for a small non-profit and I use LibreOffice. It's good, but not as good. My needs are pretty basic now, so I'm not pushing the capabilities, but my main gripe for now is formatting pivot tables.
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I understand for home use calc, especially, works just fine, but I have to deal with editing excel files at work daily... I can't even run VBA's. And if I save the file in calc it gets messed up.
The issue is the same as always, that some guy used excel first, and now I have to use it too otherwise I need to redo the entire excel file. I can't be bothered.
The company I work for pays horrors for the full MS suite. That alone should be enough to force some thinking.
But I digress.
I'm not a desk jokey but I have to fill a sheet daily and occasionally a few other documents. I only use LibreOffice.
When I first received the models, they're were filled with errors and bad formatting. And printing the sheet always put out shrunk version of the document, hard to read. I got printed copies along with the digital files, "in case I couldn't open the files".
My spreadsheet jailbroke the document, allowing me to rectify the errors and the prints come out using the entire sheet, with better end results than the official version.
Someone, very well paid, is wasting a lot of money.
What's most interesting and baffling to me is that most people think libreoffice "breaks" things. But so far, every time I looked into it, libreoffice "breaking something" usually flows like this:
- Excel implements some functionality in non-standard ways.
- Calc / libreoffice goes to apply the functionality using the correct, standard way.
- Sheet is now "broken", aka not with the expected data.
- I get yelled at for having dared to use Calc to copy paste some data in a file without even touching scrips or pivot tables or whatever the hell.
Every. Single. Fucking time.
I got to a point where I tell them to wank off if they ask me to do something and I don't have easy access to Windows.
"implementing things in non-standard ways", have been their modus operandi for about 3 decades now
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while I'm generally in support of paying for the product you get value from, this just goes to show that you should never purchase a Microsoft license. ever. they do not respect you, their agreement with you, or basic ethics. do not feel bad about pirating Microsoft products.
but even better, just use something else.
Yup. Libreoffice is epic af.
But 90% of my Excel usage is data transformation using VBA...
Time to learn python or javascript. You will learn a real language and get away from a Microsoft product.
Hows about you don’t even worry about pirating it and just move to opensource?
I’m far from a spreadsheet super user, but Excel really is in a class by itself. The rest of the office suite, however, is easily replaced by open source.
As someone who uses Excel on a daily basis: Excel is a bloated, unstable, bug-ridden pile of crap
Indeed a class of its own, at least since the fall of Lotus.
Try LibreOffice calc.
I think Word is harder to replace because formatting issues assuming documents are in word format
I use Calc, and it does just fine for my use case. But I know people in finance whose work relies on the powerful advanced features excel has and LO just doesn’t yet.
Funny enough, I haven’t touched a word processor or slide deck program in years.
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Probably the most easiest software to replace: LibreOffice, OnlyOffice, Collabora...
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Do people even bother pirating this shit? Surely they just use one of the many free alternatives that do exactly the same job?
I use LibreOffice and LibreOffice only. It does not do exactly the same job.
~~Isn't that a Firefox fork, not a productivity suite?~~
Edit: realized you meant FOSS software that didn't retain mainstream telemetry/ads
Oof. Those were typos. I meant LibreOffice ☠️ brainfart
Librewolf does everything any other browsers would do, and more!
If I ever get a Mac I'm tempted to just for the hell of it.
That's a quality headline rewrite.
Good job Microsoft!
Meanwhile, in the few cases I need Excel, I just install Office 2013 in Wine. ~~Dunno if any later version works correctly, don't even really care tbh~~
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