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[–] Anonymous_Leaker@lemmy.world 5 points 41 minutes ago

It will only get much worse.

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 19 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

So the the test of capitalism is whether any of the executives who pushed the AI rule out have gotten fired or had their bonuses slashed... My guess is none of them.

If this were actually about competition, then people would be punished for not paying attention to all of the naysayers who predicted this exact phenomenon. If accountability were a key feature, then corporations would have set up their bonus structure to look for 5-year or 10-year benefits from the AI push because of this exact issue.

Of course we haven't seen that anywhere because AI was and always is a bubble and everybody knew it and the only goal was short-term profits for whoever can claw them out of the employees or the minor shareholders fingers.

[–] bobbyfiend@retrolemmy.com 11 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

This, plus if we had any kind of political will or intelligence (as a nation; meaning the USA) we'd force AI companies to pay their extenalities: treat and sanitize every drop of water they use, and build the infrastructure to bring it back to communities; pay for their electrical infrastructure in advance and pay their electricity bills to the tune of "nobody else's bill goes up"; some kind of massive carbon capture tax for their use (this one might not be possible to actually do; it's too much); and of course paying royalties and copyright violation fines.

As at least one AI CEO has said, if they had to pay for all the laws they've broken and resources they've stolen, all AI companies currently existing would go out of business. let's say they didn't: The cost per token would be quite high, and very few people would use it.

It runs on theft and planet-scale destruction.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 1 points 42 minutes ago* (last edited 41 minutes ago)

It runs on theft and planet-scale destruction.

You could argue that this is the very nature of capitalism: theft because it always means owners extracting value from other people's work, and ultimately planet-scale destruction because it depends on infinite growth while externalizing (not paying for) the true costs of its activity.

In that sense, AI companies are just a faster-growing strain of the global cancer that is capitalism.

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 5 points 2 hours ago

As at least one AI CEO has said, if they had to pay for all the laws they've broken and resources they've stolen, all AI companies currently existing would go out of business.

I find those terms acceptable.

[–] tgcoldrockn@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

"The public really didn't like it when we shoved AI down their throats. Whats the solution?" "How bout a lil' 'artificial scarcity?'"

[–] y0kai@anarchist.nexus 26 points 7 hours ago (5 children)

What's the most expensive thing one can do with AI and how do we do it on a mass scale to one company at at time?

[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 16 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I know a company that burned $100k in tokens after they they let like 50 worker bees using general AI for OCR, simply converting images and PDFs to text.

They didn't bother to create a skill, or teach the AI how to reuse a shared script so every request resulted in it writing a new python project, pulling libraries, using a frontier model rather than offloading a dumb one etc.

Basically find a business process that happens often and let em at it inefficiently, it'll happily chew through the budget.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 19 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Thats pretty much what people freaked out about llms doing at my work and all they use it for. I'm here like...we have had OCR for over 20 years.

People are duuumb.

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

There has been some serious leaps in terms of quality. It couldn't read human writing or half the fonts for that matter like 5 years ago, let alone 20.

[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

OCR libraries have undoubtedly improved but LLMs are using the same open source libraries and tools available to anyone... there's few cases where sending the work through general models is worth it for text conversion. Employees just needed a front end to upload, run something like tesseract behind the scenes, and spit out the result. It's an egregiously stupid use of resources.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

have undoubtedly improved but LLMs are using the same open source libraries and tools available to anyone..

I read a surprising article on Lemmy just a week ago that explained that that is not how LLM's do OCR. LLM's convert images into tokens and then treat them like text input. I can't see how it works but it does. It's why they are better than classic OCR neural nets but at the trade off of enormously larger computation cost.

[–] ThanksObama@sh.itjust.works 22 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe 16k image/video upscaling of super low quality shitposts?

[–] Zen_Shinobi@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

File sizes are going to be huge! 2K is already a lot to upload, couldn't imagine 16K right now.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Just expend some more compute time on doing compression and we'll get those filesize numbers to a workable level.

$ stat -c %s enhance.png 
276773
$ convert enhance.png enhance.avif
$ identify enhance.avif
enhance.avif AVIF 1164x558 1164x558+0+0 8-bit sRGB 14391B 0.000u 0:00.000
$ stat -c %s enhance.avif
14391
$

zoom and enhance

$ identify enhance2x.avif
enhance2x.avif AVIF 2328x1120 2328x1120+0+0 8-bit sRGB 32448B 0.010u 0:00.000
$ stat -c %s enhance2x.avif 
32448
$

zoom and enhance

$ identify enhance4x.avif 
enhance4x.avif AVIF 4656x2232 4656x2232+0+0 8-bit sRGB 50758B 0.000u 0:00.000
$ stat -c %s enhance4x.avif
50758
$

Okay, that last one took 17 minutes to upscale on my GPU, so I'm not going further. But I'm using SD Ultimate Upscale, which is tile-based, so in theory that could be farmed out over a collection of GPUs and parallelized. Just need more compute hardware.

But as to filesize, that's under 50kiB.

[–] Zen_Shinobi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Whoah! Nice effort! Yeah a cluster could cut the time down a lot.

[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 9 points 6 hours ago

https://token-burner.tech/

Burn your AI tokens and get promoted for using more AI!

I sadly don't find the GitHub repo with the bash script anymore, but that thing seems to do the same thing
(Maybe I've misread though, I'm just going to sleep)

Edit: ha! Found it!
https://github.com/dtnewman/burn-baby-burn

[–] rozodru@piefed.world 6 points 7 hours ago

have it end to end build a fully featured web browser that works on Windows, MacOS, and Linux from scratch.

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

Thus transferring their money to openAI, Anthropic etc? How does that help?

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 14 points 7 hours ago

They actually lose money as well, because they're proving those tokens at below cost price.

[–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 6 hours ago

It’s all going to Nvidia

[–] y0kai@anarchist.nexus 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

those companies arent profitable either and they have same problems in which it costs them more to run their products than they are currently charging people to use it.

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

What do you mean by either? Walmart and Amazon make tens of billions in profit a year if not a quarter.

[–] y0kai@anarchist.nexus 3 points 50 minutes ago

i thought we were talking about OpenAI, antrhropic, etc, not Walmart?

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

More companies with less money is better than a few companies with all the money.

Ultimately distributed power has to be more democratic, and centralized power has to be more fascistic.

That's part of why governments having large distributed bureaucracies each with their own authority and independent ability to intervene is better than say; a single executive office/president controlling everything directly.

Distribution also leads to stability though (making it harder to challenge the status quo), so it's a double edged sword.

[–] Einskjaldi@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

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