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The Inside story of Leverage Research

This should be interesting, it's about an organisation in the EA milieu that even other EAs though might be a bit too culty. Don't know who the writer Lydia Laurenson is, but she does come off as a bit of a cult enthusiast herself, and is probably more than a bit rationalist adjacent.

edit: The companion piece about the background of why she wrote it is quite a ride, if only for the biographical tidbits: she is indeed very cult adjacent, she had a spiritual experience and now believes in capital G god, she got engaged to an unnamed far-right writer but they broke up when she got pregnant.

Also the Leverage article was contracted to appear in the New York Magazine but she pulled the story because of uh declining trust in the field of journalism, but then she goes on to imply that the real problem was that the article was shaping up as a bit too pro-Leverage:

I pulled the story once I started feeling like it simply wouldn’t be possible for me to publish a version with NYMag that didn’t carry a subtle hostility towards Leverage, not to mention affiliated communities in Silicon Valley — and, more importantly to me, hostility towards a core spiritual sensibility that I see in both myself and in the people the story describes.

edit edit: Why can't these people ever be normal: Why I Was Part Of The Neoreactionary or Dissident Right Movement In 2020

edit edit edit: Jesus fucking christ she's Curtis Yarvin's baby momma.

Indexing the read along posts, part titles are from the original:

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[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (2 children)

Part 5: How it ended

They start making a bunch of money form a third-rate stablecoin while the author claims they invented the concept, and also they decided that to completely get rid of intention objects/tulpas/egregores they had to become traditionally religious, like literally attending catholic mass and sikh study groups.

Just when they almost fold in a non traditional buddhist monk order that apparently turns out to be another, different sa-infested rationalist cult, Geoff decides a restructuring is in order, which amounts to basically dissolving Leverage.

This happens in a sort of ceremony where Geoff unhangs employee portraits while crying all the while, because presenting the cult leader as a sensitive human especially deserving of empathy is very important to this author.

Remaining leveragers form a sort of diaspora in the broader EA/rat community, and also COVID happens. The buddhist cult ends up with the Leverage office building.

For normal people, the following would be a massive conflict of interest statement. For the author, it was Tuesday:

My professional work was on pause, so I spent hundreds — maybe thousands — of hours in 2020-2021 on spiritual practice. In late 2020, I began independently sensing stuff that seemed “demonic” during interactions with some Leveragers, and I felt happy that my Leverage friends seemed able to help me make sense of it.

I arranged my first in-person meeting with Geoff Anders, because I had begun worrying about how the Leverage toolkit might cause harm within my community — especially given that many former Leveragers from the Psychology program became coaches after they left Leverage, and were teaching their methods to an increasingly large number of people.

Queue breakfast club ending: Geoff does some bullshit inquiry and promises to continue learning from the lessons of L1.0, and that he is now monogamous, for real this time. He then promptly started what "some" are describing as Leverage 2.0. Some leverageres from the slovenian's Psychology group founded Palladium Magazine while others got work as coaches to the elites, occasionally subcontracting stuff to the author, who actually bothers to admit is a conflict of interest this time, albeit in an inline note. Rationalists and EAs gain cultural notoriety due to SBF and AI. We are told things between ex-levs and the broader EA and rat community can be tense due to mutual accusations of cultishness.

The ending is on a super weird note, with ex-lev and close friend of the author Emily Dame waxing poetic about how she's been reading the bible and her time at Leverage was just like being one of christ's apostles:

Everyone always talks about the Gospels, but I loved the Letters and the Acts, because I was just like: I was there. This is what Leverage felt like. And in the Acts, there are these moments where, like, Peter heals a lame person using the Holy Spirit, where he just commands the man to get up, and he gets up, and then he’s kind of like: ‘What just happened?’

The final paragraph is basically a restatement of the pitch for Geoff's connection theory:

“You’re trying to find the language that produces the most consistent effects that allows the good thing to happen — that allows you to talk to your peers — that allows you to keep alive the possibility for the good thing. And it’s like. Well. I totally identify with that.”

All the comments are her ex-lev friends congratulating her.

That's it.

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I'd like to echo YNIH, this has been a wild ride. Thanks for history and the analysis! Reinventing the wheel but worse (i.e. rizzless Scientology) is certainly a trope with our subjects, isnt it?

On a side note, as someone who has enjoyed the occasional temporal lobe seizure, I wonder if Lydia ought to have a quiet word with a neurologist. The déjà vu might be a portent, but not the one you feel that it is.

Thank you for your service in writing up this sneer-a-long and in unearthing this maddening artifact from the unseen cyclopean depths of substack. Zoe Cursi's account seems like a far more sober examination of the dynamic and at least has the decency to treat the extreme distress that this whole thing caused as a problem rather than a sign that there was something powerful at work (that something obviously being the cult dynamic itself). But it's rare to be able to see the inside of a cult from the perspective of a believer like this, and the way that manifests here is fascinating.

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Part 4: Intention War

Where a rationalist bubble of impressionable young pranayama (and possibly psychedelics) enthusiasts after having pinballed from one guru to the next for a while enter the yes-and phase and reinvent tulpas from first principles.

It's kind of interesting in that while they have noticed that these experiences occur only when being prompted by other Leveragers, instead of thinking that maybe the vibes in this place are completely fucked in the causing bad trips sort of way and maybe the main thing Connection Theory is good for is making you really vulnerable to outside influence, they interpreted it as a psychic contagion that they need to keep contained from the outside world and so double down on the isolation.

As Tee’s subgroup began to fear malign intention objects more and more, it became hard for him to maintain relationships with people outside the subgroup. Tee says that colleagues told him that “I was unintentionally passing intention objects, sort of like a germ.”

Things seem to be falling apart since an overabundance of caution of not catching a malevolent 'intention' makes communication and organisation difficult. Can't wait to find out what Geoff's been doing during all this time, since a big problem here seems to be how completely lost and lacking general direction everyone seems to be. Is this like his version of a stanford prison experiment type situation? edit: yeah we never find out what Geoff was doing during the Intention Wars.

After months of PTSD inducing anxiety they finally grow out of this phase by employing the dark magic of interorganizational meetings and actually talking things out:

We tried to create a clearinghouse and some shared language for it.” They “found that the contagions were generally working on specific emotional vulnerabilities, psychological vulnerabilities. If you looked at a particular case, and found out what the vulnerability was, you could basically proactively talk to people about those psychological vulnerabilities and have them do a little bit of trauma work or do a little bit of spiritual — whatever their favorite modality was, and basically get an immunity.”

In other words: Some Leveragers spent months, even subsequent years, interrogating their own and each other’s minds, convinced that finding and healing their own psychic vulnerabilities was the best way to prevent the spread of dangerous psychological material. Regardless of its accuracy, this mentality may have contributed to PTSD symptoms. As Zoe Curzi later wrote about her Leverage time: “I personally went through many months of near constant terror at being mentally invaded.”

Some yada yada about carl jung and mah taboo subjects of research, on to the next part.

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Part 3 Part 2

L1.0 seems to slowly be turning into Hogwarts with everyone going all in on various occult practices they find in mythology and fairy tales. They are still hiring at this point, so it's entirely possible your first meeting as a new hire could be about carrying around iron nails to ground your spiritual energy.

As shocked newcomers tried to process what they were hearing, Emily cried.

The author makes sure we know that Nevin things that while the ultimate practicality of all this may have been dubious, “Had the research continued, they would have ultimately done, I think, a very good job of making sense of the area and coming up with theories and testing them.” So it's almost fine I guess.

Then she goes on to describe obvious cult shenanigans like the leader sexing whoever he wants in the most ~~oblivious~~ ~~whitewashy~~ ~~irresponsible~~ uncritical way possible:

Most of the dramatic events at Leverage can be framed as totally mundane — as resulting from humans doing human things in an unwise manner. After all, it was a workplace where many employees lived together, and had multiple overlapping romantic relationships with their colleagues, while also essentially acting as each other’s therapists. One especially intense incident occurred in early 2018.

[Dear Leader] Geoff had long had open relationships around Leverage. Generally, his relationships were fairly transparent both to their participants and to other Leveragers. But at the beginning of April 2018, one person Geoff was involved with, who was also his employee, found out that he’d gotten into a secret romance with another colleague he practiced bodywork with. The revelation left those around Geoff reeling — in some cases merely confused; in others, betrayed and devastated.

But don't worry, Geoff feels bad about it, whatever it was, I would think simply stepping out on the workplace polycule shouldn't merit such a special mention given everything else going on.

Geoff also acknowledges that his actions might be partially attributable to the cognitive changes he was attempting, and that perhaps as a result of psychological experimentation, “during this time, my own reasoning did not work nearly as well.”

We close part three with a somewhat odd epilogue that starts out with (paraphrasing) "many leveragers believed that maybe it's possible that there may have been a non-provably non-negligible chance" that Geoff was allocating funds with respect to who he was fucking at the time. This uncharacteristic throwing of dear leader under the bus helps draw attention away from the rest of the epilogue where in a very roundabout and muddled way it seems to be implied that the actual issue was everyone using L1.0 tech to gaslight the hell out of each other.

Specifically, I think the part about using leverage's homebrew brainwash toolkit to cure jealousy and broken hearts is as close as the author is willing to get to alluding that there was a lot of gaslighting and manipulation of people into sexual roles they wouldn't otherwise have consented to going on, like maybe being part of dear leaders harem until he grew bored of them and cast them aside and pulled their funding.

But it wasn’t just Geoff. In the close-knit ecosystem community, where all kinds of boundaries blurred, where many performed unofficial therapy for each other while yearning for deep personal change, such secrets were not just an internal currency for maneuvering within the group — they also affected what seemed psychologically possible.

Had they really seen what they thought they saw? What feelings, ideas, or mental frameworks could plausibly be managed with a bodywork or charting session? Could jealousy, or a broken heart, be “cured” with the Leverage toolkit? Was it reasonable for leaders to require specific psychological interventions of their subordinates? In this high-pressure context, where the researchers were themselves the subjects, did it make sense to set limits on what they were trying to be?

On to part 4

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

An official statement by a Leverage staffer back in 2021 defended the organization like this:

our Executive Director (Geoff Anders) had three long-term consensual relationships with women employed by Leverage Research or affiliated organizations during their history. Managing the potential for abuses by those in positions of power is very important to us. If anyone is aware of harms or abuses that have taken place involving staff at Leverage Research, please email me, in confidence, at (email deleted)

Laurenson's story that "at the beginning of April 2018, one person Geoff was involved with, who was also his employee, found out that he’d gotten into a secret romance with another colleague he practiced bodywork with." does not sound like great consent.

Many Leveragers believed Geoff’s decisions about who received organizational resources were affected by his romantic choices, for example.

Yuh think?

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 1 points 48 minutes ago

Look, if our founder was abusing his power and influence over the organization to manipulate his underlings into sexual relationships and/or reward those who agreed to such, would he really have done it three times?

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

So many red flags to unpack that it could fill a suitcase.

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Seriously. Like the pitch is literally, you're hired, now leave your old life behind to permanently move in with us. Our founder is a great genius who created this incredible philosophy on how to shape reality and influence people, and your job is to practice it 24/7 and take notes. You will also be giving up huge chunks of your income to our charities, and don't forget that sexual boundaries in the ~~compound~~ ~~group home~~ office will be really really muddled.

[–] aninjury2all@awful.systems 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Dissident RIght

An Oxymoron If There Ever Was One

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 7 points 1 day ago

It’s fascinating how they’ve appropriated that word to basically mean “dumbest fucking nazi grifters who make vlogs”

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Is "a non-traditional Buddhist order" a way of not naming OAK? OAK is the California branch of the MAPLE Buddhist Ratiionalist Cult whose gurus have also been accused of rape. I don't know if OAK was connected to Leverage.

Edit / I Escaped a Cult - Monastic Academy for the Preservation of Life on Earth Review

[–] schnoopy@awful.systems 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The group felt hard to categorize. It seemed more Red Tribey than Blue Tribey (though it contained both), and I eventually learned that its membership contained many old-school NRx scenesters. But these guys violated my expectations about Red Tribe, because they were funny, brilliant media observers who never said anything racist or sexist (at least not in that Slack). Nowadays there is a ton of media coverage about NRx and the dissident right, but this coverage has largely failed to capture how the best parts of the movement felt non-denominational. Or at least, that’s how it felt when I started spending hours per day in this Slack group.

Liberalism is a disease of the mind where, due to an inability to distinguished aesthetics from substance, one ends up judging things on means rather than ends.

History's greatest monsters have been well dressed and genteel. Many of the most ardent fighters for humanity are coarse, flawed, and unpleasant. Mayhaps a lesson about books and covers? Let's see where this group ends up

I don’t spent as much time in the movement these days; it’s turned into an echo chamber; racism and sexism are front-and-center

Oh Apollo, free me from this curse.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago

"...meet it is I set it down, That one may smile, and smile, and be a villain" —some guy

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Me, catching up with the edits: wow that escalated quickly

[–] mawhrin@awful.systems 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

butbutbut she's above the trivial politics:

These days I’m not aligned with any of the main USA political movements, not Red Tribe and not Blue Tribe. It’s hard to place myself among named political groups, even niche ones. When I talk about the larger landscape, I generally use the phrases “Red Tribe” and “Blue Tribe,” which are common in my Bay Area social context (as opposed to words like “conservative”-“right” or “liberal”-“left”). I use those phrases because they signify the cultural boundaries differentiating these groups.

(from the “why i was part of the neoreactionary” etc. etc.)

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

neither left wing or right wing (right wing (crackpot edition))

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 9 points 1 day ago

neither left wing nor right wing but some secret third thing (batshit right wing)

[–] aninjury2all@awful.systems 3 points 2 days ago

Turns out 'Grey Tribe' was a glorified NPC Wojak But Rationalist^TM^

[–] istewart@awful.systems 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

which are common in my Bay Area social context

I just went to a party in the Bay Area last night, and nobody talked like this. Perhaps she's eliding some other, more trenchant details about her social circles?

[–] mawhrin@awful.systems 2 points 2 days ago

for an entirely inexplicable reason it reminded me of balaji srinivasan.

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

(Picks up the golden ~~crown~~ fedora splattered with blood and brains) I really didn't think they'd just do this, I thought they wanted to abolish woo not embrace it. They seemed like Internet blowhards not a California cult.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Heavy is the head that wears the Spirit Halloween golden trilby.

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

More fool you, Yud had three or four decoy trilbys at LessOnline 2026, and he got them from a dedicated costume supplier!

Slave, I have set my life upon a cast,
And I will stand the hazard of the die.
I think there be six Richmonds in the field;
Five have I slain today instead of him.

[–] istewart@awful.systems 2 points 22 hours ago

Is this the origin story of a new, remarkably sedentary Batman villain?

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 5 points 3 days ago

Part 3: Practical Magic is basically an x-files episode, what am I even reading

“The phrase being ‘taken out’ started getting used a lot,” Emily says, if a Leverager felt unable to follow through on normal duties because they were still recovering from a bodywork session. Worse, the word “emergency” was becoming common, as it was used when an employee was in an extremely bad state (screaming or convulsing, for example) and then required hours or days of help.

In a discussion outline, she listed negative effects she’d seen in bodywork subjects (bad headaches, fever, nausea, fear, “overwhelm,” and “inability to be around people”) as well as practitioners (bad headaches, exhaustion, nausea, and “metaphysical unease”). During the meeting, Emily learned that her list wasn’t long enough: Colleagues were seeing panic attacks, paralysis, tinnitus, rashes, allergic reactions like runny noses, “aversion to physical touch,” and “persistent unpleasant visual imaginations” after bodywork. She was horrified, and her immediate recommendation was to slow down the research. But soon after the meeting, Geoff rebuked her.

A lot of this feels like they overdid the breathwork and resistance breathing exercises and as a consequence are constantly slightly hypoxic. Recuperating an exhausted respiratory system can be a hell of a time because you can't exactly take a break from breathing to rest , just a lot of bad headeachey sleep.~source:~ ~freediving~ ~dabbler.~

Also there's a part where David does some bodywork that involves pushing the other guy on the heart which resulted in a long period of those aftereffects, and having a weight on your chest sounds a lot like doing resistance breathing without being aware of it. Someone in other place very justifiably worries if there were a carbon dioxide leak in the premises. Nausea is also constantly mentioned, which I think can be a symptom of low blood pressure, which could be a thing If you are constantly exhausted from your breathing being all messed up.

Nevermind, Geoff to the rescue:

According to Geoff, he believed that Emily and her friends — a tight-knit group that included James — were trying to “monopolize” bodywork. The elephant in the room was funding pressures. Bodywork was an excellent way to impress funders quickly, so slowing down research might mean slowing a promising funding pathway.

There's an extended tangent of overexamining the claims of Zoe (see start of pt1) about people having had psychotic breaks following these practises by asking Leveragers who are willing to talk about it, to conclude that while these things can be very common in such settings it is very doubtful that they took place in Levrage 1.0 .

This mostly stands out because of the pattern of going the extra mile with due diligence on a victim's claims (who notably didn't return the writers calls while Geoff more than happy to be quoted) versus the part about reproducing guru David's apprehensions for Leverage as if that lets him off the hook for being an obvious charlatan all too willing to take power and mess with people's heads.

Goddammit:

Emily recalls a time when one, then two, then three separate women came to her and said they’d had “very similar nightmares of being raped or sexually harmed by a persona, or being, or energy, that looked a lot like a person in the group.” The situation, Emily says, seemed bad “from a research perspective, but also from the community care perspective.”

“We did try to talk to the individual who was sort of implicated in the dreams. And that was weird, sort of unsatisfying,”

This is getting increasing hard to unpack in sneer form, like you have the story of James, both in a long term relationship and simultaneously getting it on with his PhD supervisor, as rationalists are want to. Is the supervisor taking advantage of him? Who knows, definitely not the writer who won't even comment on James' range of chronic symptoms being consistent with PTSD, even when L1.0 tech causes him to think he might have been repressing memories of being sexually abused at a young age. All's well that ends well, James decides he is unworthy of the primary girlfriend and breaks up with her for to be with his supervisor and continue The Work with Leverage 1.0 .

And all across Leverage were dozens of similar stories: Breakdowns, heartbreaks, commingled with occasional shining breakthroughs.

I'll take a break.

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Part 2: Body and Energy

Using fake or cherry-picked results in your papers is totally just a matter of philosophical opinion:

Tyler is a charming young man with impish eyes. Before joining Leverage, he worked on cognitive science and social psychology, at labs ranging from Yale to the University of Chicago. He left amid escalating concerns around the “Replication Crisis,” a philosophical conflict within the academy

This is good epistemics:

What if Tyler took a pill, then started floating off the ground, and touched down five minutes later — then would Tyler feel that he needed to use a scientific tool in order to trust his own observations? What if Tyler took another pill from the same jar, and the second time he took the pill he floated off the ground, then touched down five minutes later? How long would it take for Tyler to conclude that each pill made him float for five minutes? [...] if Tyler found an unexpected but massively obvious effect, like a pill that made him levitate, then would he still need a randomized controlled trial to believe that this obvious effect actually existed?

"I too used to listen to satanic music before someone finally got me to read the bible":

I couldn’t believe what I saw. I had arrived with all these people I considered to be hyper-rational nerds who were emotionally inexpressive, to the point where many people who visited Leverage came away with the impression that it was full of ‘robots.’ But now all these people were cathartically weeping, shaking, etc. One guy I thought of as the paradigmatic Rational Person now had his shirt completely unbuttoned and seemed to be lamenting on the couch like a melancholic king. Afterwards, everyone was, of course, like: ‘WTF was that?’ ”

Then Tyler and a bunch of other Leveragers sign up to the Energy Healing School for a paltry $10K each.

Some friction follows between the hippie style meditation practices and CT, because apparently the former makes available for introspection mental space that isn't accessible by the latter. Also this is sure to end well:

Emily says that “emotion was taboo as a technical concept; it wasn’t included in Connection Theory.” According to some former Leveragers, this put the group in the position of trying to process shared emotions, including emotions from their relationships with each other, while lacking fundamental language for it — all while determinedly intending to access the deep unconscious.

This I assume is on top of dismissing psychology completely because dear leader didn't like it, so they have absolutely no external point of reference for what's going on mentally with them.

David the guru appears:

According to Geoff, David described having gone “to the East” and found old masters whose lineages were not being passed on; he claimed he’d convinced these aging spiritual masters to teach him. A former Leverager remembers David claiming he could heal or cause cancer with a touch, “cause bones to heal, like 6x to 10x speed,” or “induce seizures or hallucinations” with bodywork, as well as organ failure.

David joins the slovenian and Tyler becomes his apprentice. David becomes a Leverage 'master'.

The title “master” carried an unclear but powerful status within the ecosystem. An ex-Leverager says that “masters” had a perceived “halo” and there was a shared “blind spot around people’s character and ethics that led to empowering people with questionable morals.” This halo effect made it hard to give masters negative feedback.

David “was routinely missing entire days just to meditate on his kidneys and was claiming they were failing,” which David attributed to Geoff causing him bodily harm via deliberate psychological manipulation.

The slovenian nrxer acquires a reputation of being a sex pest:

When asked about the complaint in 2024, Geoff says there was an internal investigation, which concluded that Samo “acted with bad judgment.”

Just normal rationalist workplace things:

David also had tension with Samo, who was in an open marriage while also dating a woman who worked with him in the Sociology department.

There is some bruhaha and a cybersecurity related falling out and David and Samo's ex leave Leverage, but David's legacy remains:

Regardless of David’s intentions, adding bodywork to the Leverage toolkit had surprising consequences. From the beginning, non-monogamy was common and accepted within Leverage; but bodywork provided a new, confusing, and plausibly professional context for intimate physical contact. And Leveragers soon determined that they could combine bodywork with other techniques to bypass the partition — a move that arguably, finally, allowed them to dive into the uncharted waters of the deep unconscious.

Yeah, this is now cult cult.

Also the writer doesn't want all this unpleasantness to reflect badly on David, so she makes sure to add this preface, how thoughtful:

I was able to confirm that he did not feel Leveragers shared his moral values, and that he felt he couldn’t transfer his skills to people who did not share his values. He believed his mastery could be badly distorted if he tried to transmit it without transmitting the values that informed it.

Tune in for Part 3 I guess.

[–] saucerwizard@awful.systems 0 points 2 days ago (2 children)

slovenian

yeah he's a Bismarck Analysis/Palladium guy now lmao

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 1 points 11 hours ago

Palladium

According to the article the whole thing was a Leverage project:

Politically, Leverage has punched above its weight, though liberal Leveragers may wince to think of it. While at Leverage, two neoreactionary employees named Wolf Tivy and Jonah Bennett co-founded a magazine called Palladium. Their parties have drawn Peter Thiel, the musician Grimes, and other luminaries from the “tech right” or “New Right.” Samo is now Editor-in-Chief of Palladium; he also runs a research and analysis firm called Bismarck, and published “Great Founder Theory” on his website in 2020.

[–] istewart@awful.systems 1 points 22 hours ago

Burja has always had remarkably bad vibes, but it knocks my estimation of him completely into the basement to learn that he was so involved with a shitshow like Leverage. I suspect that daddy Peter and the Twitter/Hacker News crossover crowd is what's propping up Palladium, but I believe we discussed it here when even the HN crowd laughed off Burja's bro Wolf Tivy.

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

I guess I'll just do a read along write up:

Part 1:

In the Effective Altruist community, Leverage held “mystique,” according to a former employee. It didn’t help that some employees lost touch with their previous friends and families. One community member observes that “a lot of people dropped off the face of the Earth when they started working at Leverage.” Rumors swirled. Since Peter Thiel was an early funder, a local wit dubbed Leverage “Peter Thiel’s MKUltra”

Zoe [ex-Leverage with PTSD who went public] also wrote: “I personally prayed for hours most nights for months to rid myself of specific ‘demons’ I felt I’d picked up from other members of Leverage. If this sounds insane, it’s because it was… In addition, I’ll be honest — I experienced real effects of these ‘demons.’ ”

This is the author by the way:

By the time I heard about Leverage, I was fascinated by mysticism, meditation, and witchcraft. By 2020, my spiritual practice yielded disorienting results: vivid dreams, weirder-than-usual hunches, intense visualizations, trance-like states, and more. I sought balance by discussing these with an accredited therapist, who said I was fine, and by getting advice from friends, including friends from Leverage. This was when I began to understand what might be meant by the word “demon.” And those discussions with former Leveragers formed a basis of shared experience, which eventually led sources at Leverage, including Geoff Anders, to trust me with this story.

A lot of this unintentionally reads like what here's what the cultic milieu looks like from the point of view of those especially vulnerable to cult influence:

Nevin Freeman, who was employee #5, says that Leverage “self-selected for people who didn’t place their faith in existing institutions,” who wanted to build something better. [...] This in turn led Nevin to a visiting fellowship at Eliezer Yudkowsky’s Machine Intelligence Research Institute (MIRI, formerly known as the Singularity Institute), then to a startup job. He began donating half his salary to fund people working on AI issues; after he met Geoff, Nevin redirected his money to fund Geoff, then joined Leverage.

On definitely not cult building:

Oliver discovered Leverage after he decided to work on “collective intelligence” and became interested in the business concept of “learning organizations,” organizations that prioritize continuous transformation of employees as well as the organization itself.

Most sanitized description of nrx ever, and also diversity is great when it comes to letting the fascists in:

One clear example of this pluralism arrived in the form of a charismatic, self-assured Slovenian man in his twenties [...] When he joined Leverage in 2015, Samo was already involved with the burgeoning neoreactionary movement, an online right-wing subculture with tech overtones, which was somewhat interconnected with the rationality community [... ...] more neoreactionaries were hired over time, which formed an odd synthesis.

But for the rationalists it was Tuesday:

Eventually, in 2018, a neoreactionary group that had multiple members at Leverage made monogamy a requirement for members in good standing, which some thought odd given that more than one neoreactionary, including Samo, were in open relationships, as was most Leverage leadership, including Geoff.

You don't say:

Emily recalls that the group was alert for cult warning signs.

There's also a lot of subtext that the people at Leverage never seem to actually do anything besides talk about stuff and cultic self care, that doesn't rise to the surface because the writer is overly sympathetic to them. She tries to counterbalance this with reminders about how there was a semi-constant rotation of ultra rich casual guests and that some Leverage adjacent people went to do Important Things, like Dario and the wealthy longevity guy.

This experience [of meeting a random billionaire one night in the group house kitchen] “moved me along the spectrum from Leverage being completely delusional to, like, maybe Leverage being onto something, if they were able to convince someone like that,” says Tyler. “I think the truth was that Leverage was onto a bunch of things, and it was delusional, and it was closely intertwined.”

Gradually, a cult of personality with the stated purpose of self-replicating in other organisations emerged:

Gradually, themes emerged. [...] Several people studied meditation and other woo-woo stuff (sometimes abbreviated woo); some hoped to achieve spiritual enlightenment and share the process afterwards. Meanwhile, before he arrived at Leverage, Samo had already started researching a subject that he called “Great Founder Theory,” delineating the process by which exceptional people scale their impact through organizations; once at Leverage he created a research group that became the department of Sociology.

Cultic self-care:

In groups, in pairs, or alone in their rooms, the researchers sat with notebooks and whiteboards, diagramming every corner of their mental landscapes, seeking ways to “debug” behaviors they deemed undesirable. For most, the Holy Grail was a way to work harder, work smarter, accomplish bigger goals, or otherwise transcend the limitations they felt held them back from changing the world.

Then there's some stuff about how our benevolent leader Geoff decided that academic psychology isn't a real science and should instead be replaced with his own Connection Theory, which as far as I can tell is basically a brainwashing framework:

What follows, then, is that any person’s problematic behavior can be changed, because “if you actually get the logic of what’s producing the problematic set of beliefs or actions,” then you can intervene in that logic.

He also cured some guys caffeine addiction by laying hands at the start of the article, which I didn't think much of at the time because I thought the author just threw it in for flavour, and that her overall approach would be uh different. Later CT also cured his nagging worries about being a creep, good for him I guess:

He introspected on his discomfort, discussed his observations with a colleague, and traced the discomfiting sensation to his underlying beliefs about how society designates some people as creepy. The pair concluded that he had “irrational” beliefs about society and creepiness, and discussed the subject in detail, until Nevin felt that his irrational beliefs had changed.

ConTheory apparently also cured some guys cluster headaches, others not so much:

Simultaneously, Leveragers observed undesirable effects during charting sessions: bouts of shaking that could last hours; hysterical screaming and crying, with no identifiable cause.

Eventually the slovenian nrxer reinvents founders' mythos from first principles and they decide to monetize it by creating a become-a-founder self-help seminars thing with a shared profits arrangement with the wanna-be founders:

In 2017, during a fundraising meeting for Paradigm Academy, Geoff promised Peter Thiel an appealing use case for the Leverage introspection tools. Geoff and his colleagues would either find and recruit ten “masters” who excelled at a discipline, or create ten masters using their cognitive toolkit, within three years.

Part 2 soon, or eventually.

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Actually, taking a closer look at this line:

Connection Theory, which he describes as “a theory of belief and behavior that postulates that people have basic goals, and act for the sake of achieving those basic goals.” What follows, then, is that any person’s problematic behavior can be changed, because “if you actually get the logic of what’s producing the problematic set of beliefs or actions,” then you can intervene in that logic.

So unless we're already getting into some very culty language where words like "Basic Goals" or "logic" are cult jargon that only loosely resemble their more general use this sounds less like an overview of a theory and more like an incredibly obvious statement that would have to fit into basically any psychological paradigm other than maybe hard behaviorism.

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

When I first read this I zeroed in on 'problematic behavior' to mean anything not matching Geoff's idea of optimal behavior, in line with rationalist notions of how you can't really disagree with rat tenets, you can only have bad epistemics that you should fix by reading the sequences and rationalist influencers.

In retrospect, the part where he considers his theory to be a do-over of traditional psychology except we'll make it scientific this time was probably the more load bearing bit, in the sense that maybe the whole point of Leverage 1.0 was having an isolated group of unsuspecting test subjects on whom he could do experimental psychology on.

It's weird to see the Great Founder Theory laid out so clearly because it's basically explicitly declaring allegiance to what I was starting to call the Great Man Theory of Everything - the belief that rather than being historically contingent and reliant on circumstances as much as any personal characteristics some people are just innately "agentic" in a way that others aren't and the key to success isn't in finding a way to navigate the world but in unlocking this "agentic" quality in yourself. Notably the corollary of doing this (or of being one of those special innately "agentic" people) is that you have the right and duty to impose your will on the malleable clay of the world and people around you. I maintain that this is the rotten kernel at the heart of so many of the batshit weird things that the rats believe and do, and the fact that it simply isn't true is why their broader schemes keep sputtering out or failing, though with enough money and power behind them that they continue to leave a frankly impressive amount of human suffering in their wake.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 5 points 3 days ago

an online right-wing subculture with tech overtones, which was somewhat interconnected with the rationality community

They admit it!