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A brief recap: a few weeks ago I’d taken the $155,000 Range Rover I was testing out to run some errands with my wife in Plymouth, Minnesota. I was backing out of a parking space in front of my local Kohl’s when four cop cars came screaming up and “initiated a box and pin on the vehicle,” as the police report says. Hands on their guns, the officers ordered us out of the vehicle, patted us down, and eventually told us the Range Rover’s license plate—New Jersey 34 10 DTM—was stolen, they suspected the vehicle itself was stolen too, and they’d used Flock cameras to track me down over the last two days.

The scenario involving my wife and I is just one of many like it. Thomas noted that the system is 99% accurate today, but it’s performing 20 billion reads a month. That 1% error rate, of which I was a part of in June, makes for two hundred million misreads a month.

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[–] ToiletFlushShowerScream@piefed.world 10 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

False positives are your problem, not the cops. You should try not being unlucky next time.
Also - I'm so sorry you had to go through that, fuck flock.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 points 39 minutes ago

time for some target practice. sorry if they get in my bullets way while it's headed towards the practice target.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 55 points 5 hours ago

👉 The system is working exactly as intended and must be destroyed

[–] WingsofLove03@retrolemmy.com 4 points 3 hours ago

Oh I live in MN too very close to Plymouth this stinks. MN cops can be so mean

[–] xenomor@lemmy.world 18 points 5 hours ago

It is working perfectly as intended. It is intended to facilitate fascist authority, siphon wealth from municipalities, and help make cops feel tough so they can more efficiently lord over their communities.

[–] IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I wonder how many people that are "gangstalked" are really being gangstalked.

I don't understand why people put so much faith in their government.

[–] Ordinary_Person@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Who? At this point, aside from Wacko fanatics who suck orange cock, who has so much faith in their government?

[–] Sims@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago

Police always love their oligarch masters..

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 82 points 7 hours ago

Yes, the Flock system is working correctly, as a tool for police to stalk and harass innocent people.

[–] 73QjabParc34Vebq@piefed.blahaj.zone 99 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

A- USA doesn't have standardised plates? Not even 1 per state, but 8000?!
2- Fuck mass survalance, fuck armed cops, fuck Flock.

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 15 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

A - The USA is 50 countries in a trench coat

2 - Correct

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 hours ago

Tribal nations also have their own plates in some cases. Mine does.

[–] Bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world 47 points 7 hours ago (23 children)

Each state has different levels of customization with different background images. I like plate customization, its a form of self expression.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 9 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Customized images, yes. Overlapping alphanumeric codes (two vehicles with the same sequence?) NO. Maybe it was necessary in the 1960s, but it is long since past time for issuance of alpha-numeric unique identifiers to become... unique throughout the states.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

How many digits to we need for 297,500,000 plates (as of 2026).

Plus we should probably include Canada and Mexico, since they have the same sized plates and cross the borders regularly.

Canada also has custom plates and different designs in each province too.

Also unless I’m mistaken, when Britain was in the EU, it didn’t use standardized plates like the rest of the member states, right?

[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

There are no standard plates in the EU. The only matching thing is the country code on the left side.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 hours ago

That’s a lot closer to standardized than the Canada or the US.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

6 characters (A-Z 0-9) gives you 2,176,782,336 combinations.

Even if you take out some confusing combos like O0, 1I, 5S, 8B ... 6 characters of 31 different kinds gives you 887,503,681

[–] Bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 4 points 2 hours ago

the formula is number of possible symbols (letters, numbers) S to the power of the number of characters on the plate N, or S^N, so if you add one more character out of 31 possible symbols, then you multiply by (another) 31 available combinations.

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[–] crunchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 6 hours ago

For comparison, if you were hosting some kind of platform or service that only has a 99% uptime, you'd have to pay people to use it.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I like license plates as I think some degree of accountability is important when you are controlling a highly deadly machine. If you make moves that endanger people they should have a way to identify you. I've always felt those tinted plate covers were the sign of being a real asshole driver. Now I think if there is anyway to block your plate from flock cameras you should try to do it. Has any coating been effective for this?

[–] TwitchingCheese@lemmy.world 8 points 3 hours ago

Doesn't matter, they don't rely on just the plates. They match on make/model, color, condition (specific dents, scratches, damage, repairs, etc), bumper stickers, face matching on the driver and/or passengers, sound, bluetooth and/or radio IDs, and more.

You can make things that fool it, Benn Jordan demonstrates doing this with something that is hard to even notice as a human. But all that's going to do is draw extra attention to you. In a surveillance state anyone trying to maintain privacy is clearly guilty after all.

[–] minorkeys@sh.itjust.works 34 points 7 hours ago

They always claim everything they do is correct and working. To admit otherwise means opening the department up to a lawsuit they may actually lose their jobs over.

[–] Th4tGuyII@fedia.io 15 points 7 hours ago

Of course. Flock always works correctly, even when it causes innocent people to get harmed.

Its a spying tool first and foremost, the crime solving part is just a half-arsed afterthought justification.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 25 points 7 hours ago

Well, at least we know this can only happen 98 times, by mistake.

[–] TheFermentalist@reddthat.com 19 points 7 hours ago

Lucky he’s white.

[–] DanceMomsSavedMe@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

That's around 2/3rds of the entire US population

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 5 points 4 hours ago

In a month each person who drives regularly will be read hundreds of times in cities. Rural areas will be fewer times, but it is likely that on average a car is read at least a dozen or more times in a month across the US and wherever else they might be.

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