Let's say the worst case scenario happens with kbin and Meta. What are some alternate sites/instances that would be more resilient to enshitification? (kbin.social)

submitted 1 year ago by Roundcat@kbin.social to c/AskKbin@kbin.social

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I'm getting really tired of trying to run away from big tech, only to be ensnared again by the greed and/or naivety of sites who ultimately cave to the whims of big tech.

Mastodon has already caved, and the silence of lemmy's and kbin's developers over this matter isn't exactly reassuring. Since I more or less still have my bags packed from leaving reddit, what are some other communities I could try that would be more resilient to corporate encroachment?

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[-] Gamers_Mate@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

I am glad the instance of Mastodon I use will defederate from meta.

The two biggest instances at the moment as far as I know is kbin social and lemmy world if one allows meta I will just use the other one. Though I recommend any instance that has signed the anti meta pact.
This shows a list of instances that signed it I would pick one of those.

[+] ch1cken@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

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[-] strepto@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

Owners of an instance can do whatever they want. That's the whole point of the fediverse. If you don't like it, then change to an instance that does what you like or create your own. It's that simple.

[-] Kaldo@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

Users can de-federate client side already

Factually untrue

[-] SpacemanSpiff@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

It’s true in Kbin in the sense that you can block instances as a user preference. You can also block any other domain as well, which means what a post links to. Theoretically you can block Facebook itself, Instagram, Imgur, etc.

[-] Kaldo@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Blocking a domain through kbin only blocks threads from appearing on your feed. You still see users from that domain and their comments, and they see you and anything you post since it gets sent to their server. It is also a feature only available on kbin so tough luck for lemmies.

[-] duringoverflow@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

in this case we don't talk about users who want to block users of another instance. The problem is not the users of meta. The problem is meta itself and all the problems it will bring to the federated network. Whoever cannot see that their intentions are not to promote federated networks but to exploit and extinguish them, is just naive.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

So Meta's plan is to make a twitter-alike that spies on its users and manipulates them into being the hate fueled engagement engine, and then inflict that on the fediverse?

What's to stop everyone from pointing out as often as possible that users can still talk to Zuck's twits without the spying and manipulation by simply doing so from a non-Meta instance, and then defederating Meta once they are no longer dominant?

Am I just misunderstanding this?

[-] bioemerl@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

What’s to stop everyone from pointing out as often as possible that users can still talk to Zuck’s twits without the spying and manipulation by simply doing so from a non-Meta instance

Facebook users are stupid, network effects ensure that most people go to a single provider and then minor incompatibilities between threads and the fediverse slowly cuts off the fediverse and ensures it dies.

[-] Blakerboy777@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

@bioemerl

@Roundcat @Ensign_Crab

What does "dies" mean in this circumstance? We already only have 1% of their users. Are we afraid that access toore content here will cause users to leave for Facebook?

[-] bioemerl@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

Dies means activity slows to the point that the site isn't worth using. It's not dead right now for example. I have people to talk to.

[-] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Or worse, Facebook forks activitypub and then once most domains are on the forked version they kill it. Or make it part of their walled garden.

[-] Alexmitter@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

Threads is just a bad ActivityPub client with ads, tracking and Zuck. I am less worried about it and the federation with it because we will get non of that, no ads, no tracking and we can block Zuck. I am more worried about a general flood of typical instagram users and their love for the most blandest of human interaction.

[-] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

Ultimately, the important thing is that communities can exist with some amount of independence and can operate by their own preferences.

Sometimes I want serious intellectual conversations. Sometimes I want to talk about trashy reality TV. Sometimes I just want the dumbest memes to ever enter a human mind. None of these have to be mutually exclusive, so long as different communities can manage themselves.

[-] Alexmitter@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No no, I am not talking about people who enjoy talking about trashy reality tv.
I talk about people who's main focus in life is posting presumably good looking pictures of their face and body on instagram. Or people whos main focus is to look wealthy on instagram. Like the absolute peak of human blandness.

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