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I want Reddit to get what they deserve. Fuck 'em.
I really hope Christian gets through this. Working so hard on an app for years, only to see it get flushed down the toilet because of Reddit's ridiculous pricing and them not budging on it, has to be a nightmare to experience.
When I clicked the link I got a pop up on the website prompting me to view this trending conversation on the reddit app,oh the irony...
Makes literally no sense to me that Reddit couldn't afford to provide a price exception to 3rd party apps that have helped grow their community and website over the years. I've been using Reddit Is Fun for almost a decade now, and I'm not switching to their official app.
Companies are getting too comfortable when they have no competition. Really hope a Fediverse alternative will kick off like Mastodon did (ironically I'm placing my bets on kbin even though I use Lemmy. Seems like the simpler alternative that'll be easier to invite people over).
You can't charge apps differently for the same stuff or people will sue you.
Reddit wants to bring them all down. I wouldn't be surprised if they take down the entire API in a year to save money.
What are you talking about? Anyone working in B2B sales know there are no such things as list prices. Everything is negotiated.
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I've never had an issue with the main app or site myself, and have been on Reddit for like 15+ years now? Fuckin forever IDK. I'm still down to bail for Lemmy, I support everyone who finds use in 3rd party apps plus I'm tired of bonkers bans and power hungry mods while ridiculous shit gets left up as A-OK.
I'm actually on a 7 day ban right now, for "abusing the report feature." The linked report they provided as proof of abuse? A comment they had just messaged me to tell me "We agree this has violated TOS and have removed the violating content."
So........."You're right, that DOES break the rules.......But could you STOP FUCKING MAKING US PRESS TWO BUTTONS ALREADY?!"
ah shit. This massively sucks.
It would be cool to see Christian develop a lemmy client, kind of like how Tapbots made Ivory after the Twitter API closed down.
Well that seals it. I'm here for good. I'll even commit now that if Lemmy doesn't work out, still not going back.
Heck, by the time we'd know for sure that Lemmy isn't working out, there'd be no content left on Reddit to go back to.
It's already much busier here than it was a couple days ago, though; I think we'll be alright.
Yeah. Lemmy doesn't need to be Reddit sized by tomorrow. For now we can just enjoy an older style of smaller forum community. All we can do is keep popping in to Reddit and letting people know about Lemmy. Keep helping people understand the decentralized structure. Keep fostering a welcoming and engaging community. Eventually we'll grow and I truly suspect we can outpace Reddit. It might be years or even a decade before that happens, but I believe it will happen as long as we keep this community active and growing.
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The next couple of weeks are going to be ROUGH here. New instances spinning up, and existing ones grinding to a halt under the weight of new users. This is going to be a hell of a stress test.
But it should also make this space truly viable for users. We should expect more people to bounce than to stay, but it's starting to look like we've already crossed a critical threshold for sustainability.
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Thatβs, so sad. Apollo has so many users that are going to be heartbroken. Feel bad for Christian.
'EXODUS - Movement from Ja people.'
Well, this was exactly the outcome Reddit was aiming for with the exorbitant pricing. They want to force everyone to use their app. I hope it backfires on them.
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I use Sync, but I can only imagine it'll be the same story there. It sucks, and I can't stand to use Reddit any way but through third party apps.
Mm, I use(d) Slide personally, which is more-or-less abandonware at this point. I expect that'll just get its API user disabled by the dev, so it "doesn't work" any more.
The first one to fall, unfortunately. The conversation the Apollo Dev had with the admins seemed pretty bleak. I'm slowly accepting that Reddit needs to die. As a Redditor, we built it. We can kill it.
As a Redditor, we built it. We can kill it.
Maybe. But it may well be, that Reddit has enough momentum to keep going with the shitload of dummy users who don't care about third party apps or quality.
For all we know, half the users over there (re)posting content could be bots that continue indefinitely, reposting more and more popular content from other sites like TikTok with more bots leaving comments that they stole from other posts. Reddit could in theory continue operating even with zero actual users.
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I feel lots of people say "Who cares about 3rd party apps?" don't realize the mod community also heavily relies on 3rd party apps. So high chance of the quality of subreddits going downhill regardless. Either way, anyone using Reddit still should be looking for a way off the platform.
I currently enjoy the amount of users in Lemmy. It's a nice community now that feels like the old internet days.
So I hope not too many people swap over.
π«‘ Sad to see it happen. Best of luck to the dev(s) in their future endeavours.
@grimaferve @dylan
Which hopefully include compatibility with Kbin, Lemmy and other federated aggregators.
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Remember when in September 2017, Reddit decided to no longer be open-source? Well it was precisely to prepare for this specific scenario. Embrace, Extend, Extinguish and we're finally on step 3.
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This is huge, I don't have statistics but surely the most popular third party app.
I really hope reddit is hurt a lot by this move they're doing. It feels like it's probably too late for them to walk it back and that's probably a good thing. As much as I really enjoy a lot of the communities over there, I don't think it's healthy they remain on reddit, they clearly don't have the best interests of their users now, if they ever did. I know they've lost me and a lot of people who are moving over to lemmy, but I do hope a lot more follow and this hurts them.
Just going off of a quick stroll through the iOS app store (as of time of this post)
- Apollo is the highest rated 3rd party reddit app at #11 in the News category (for comparison, the next highest was Narwhal at #75 within this same category)
- Apollo does not however breach the top 200 apps app-store-wide. The official reddit app does at #52 overall. and enjoys the company of other ubiquitous apps like Hulu, Duolingo, Google Drive, and Disney+, all within 10 ranks of it on the overall list.
- It does seem that reddit has crunched their numbers and gambled that 3rd party app users and the uproar they are in is a calculable loss against the groundswell of desktop and official reddit app users.
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I literally just signed up for lemmy after reading this post on reddit. Iβm ready for reddit to crash. Decentralized apps seem like the way to go. It seems super short-sighted on Redditβs part to be basically extorting all these 3rd party apps that are super popular.
Welcome! It's a bit rough around the edges here but the devs are making changes every day and the community is better than I thought.
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I'm one of those that nuked my Reddit account too... Was a Boost user for many, many years. Tens of thousands of contributions in the way of posts and comments and this move by them was the straw that broke the camel. The place is a shell of what it was in the early days sadly. Year by year it's seemingly declined.
I'm done with it and moving on to pastures a new :)
So far, I'm really impressed with Lemmy !
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I truly hope that mods just stop and let all of Reddit overflow with garbage bot posts. Let them try to IPO with a site full of useless garbage.
Absolutely unreal. This should seal the fate of Reddit.
If only... I would love nothing more than for it to become Digg 2.0.
Most typical users have no idea what Apollo is, and I imagine most of the engagement is still from the mobile site with the official app taking the next biggest piece of the pie. Anyone commenting on this site now is in a very specific tech bubble.
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Reddit is all I've known for the past 12 years, this honestly just sucks. Started off with Bacon Reader and then moved to Relay. These apps frankly make Reddit so this is the death of Reddit for me and many others.
I hope Lemmy works out, I think the migration from Reddit to Lemmy (or alternative) is going to be much more difficult than it was from Digg to Reddit. Let's hope it goes as smoothly as possible.
Stop the enshitification! I feel like greed is ruining so many nice things lately. Streaming services, gaming and a lot of social media as well. More costs for more ads and increasingly bad content. First post on Lemmy and will try to advertise it to my friends, lets hope for a better take off than Mastodon!
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I don't know if the headings are what people actually said to him or not, but it's very sad to see him beat up about just trusting what people who he's had a fruitful 8 year relationship with say. The blame shouldn't be on him for being positive about what to him, had been a perfectly acceptable long-standing business relationship. The fact that he can eat this cost and said he'll be fine means that he wasn't simply being blind to the realities of the world/
this is funny because lemmy admin actually hopes reddit to reverse the decision. lemmy server isn't ready even by just only adding 500k user
suffering from succses
But the new users can join any lemmy server and still interact with everyone, so ideally the load would be distributed throughout all the instances instead of making one of them overloaded.
Yes but even 40k users per instance requires substantial amount of resources right now to keep things not-stuttering. And Apollo has millions of users. So weβd need 200 new instances as big as the largest ones we already have. And thatβs assuming activity pub caching is already ironed out. Idk if it is.
That's a good point! I think we usually hear about millions of users and don't realize the scale you need to serve the thousands that'd be in each instance...
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So it's actually happening...
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