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De-escalation
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As someone who works in fast food, we were also trained on it.
It's called 4 am shift, or surprise
Fast Food workers aren't trained to dehumanize the public and see them as a threat. Cops are. Cops are also trained to respond with violence and intimidation to any perceived threat to their authoritah.
That's a really good point
Fast Food workers arenβt trained to dehumanize the public and see them as a threat.
That just happens as a matter of course working with the public.
To be clear: the training also does this.
I was once told that the American police forces chooses only people below a certain intellectual threshold to be cops so they wouldn't think too much about or question orders gotten from their bosses π€ (dunno if it's true)
There was a famous case where a single person was rejected, and the cited reason was his high IQ. The particular location had a policy of rejecting extreme IQ because evidence showed that IQ is correlated with job turnover. He sued them and lost because IQ is not a protected status in the US and because there was a cited non-prejudicial reason.
But of note, it doesn't appear to be common enough that anyone has researched it as a statistic. It's just that despite being run by the government, police departments have enough autonomy to set their own hiring policies as long as they are legal.
There's a lot of genuine criticisms about the police. We should focus on those. Like their half-ass training and the laws/policies that lead to harmful behavior by them and garner well-earned mistrust.
I think the format of system, as framed around obedience to particular elite interests, and detachment from broader social interests, is completely a valid target of criticism.
Of course, arguments should be based on factually accurate premises.
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Also, because cops can get away with killing you but McDonalds employees can't.
When one human has the power to kick another one's ass at will, they often do. It's Psych 101.
When we don't have that option, we figure out how to navigate the situation. LOL, a couple of months at my first tech support gig taught me to dial the haters down in a hurry! Hell, I talked a psycho down from literally torturing me one time. 3rd closest time I've come to meeting the scythe wielding skeleton.
What's the answer? Fuck I know. Cops have to have power, or they're toothless, and therefore useless. Maybe training that involves them being on the other end?
"You have no weapons, no authority, and I'm going to kick the living shit out of you unless you calm me down!" π€·π»ββοΈ
Or, and this is madness, we could find a way to pull the teeth out of their unions? I'm all for worker's unions, but cops are, by necessity, a different category of citizen.
OR, if they want to be badass military dudes, maybe the actual military could come in and school them on rules of engagement? (I'm liking this the more I think about it.)
It was either Dr. Who, or more likely Star Trek, where the protagonist said, "Police officers. I'd recognize them in any century."
There was an interview on TYT with a former Baltimore cop who was a former military member. He talked about how bad the police who hadn't been military were at discipline and high stress situations. He also talked a lot about how they had to drive to the poor black areas of town to get their ticketing done because they get in trouble if they gave out a lot of tickets in the white areas of town.
Just wanted to add the link to a clip of the interview. https://youtu.be/GV3Ctz8pfeU?si=odmV37RbcVcF2rRS
Didn't they also send cops who complained about other cops doing police brutality to bad neighbourhoods without backup?
Probably because McDonald's cashiers aren't trying to lock people in cages against their will?
Yup, and McDonald's employees raises don't hinge on volume of arrests and number of convictions.
Though that would make getting a kids meal way more intense
Even the hamburgler?
mcdonalds has a special tactical unit for that
Are they part of the Gravy SEALs?
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And they don't have guns to ~~defend themselves~~ harass minorities so they have to deescalate or they could be in danger
Well that escalated quickly.
Because of the Implication!
Police are people too, but even on a subconscious level no one in the public is really going to treat them that way. It's impossible to treat someone who can theoretically decide your fate on a whim as an equal. The badge gives them control over you, to the extent that it's difficult to even have a casual conversation with them for fear of accidentally revealing something about yourself that you don't want them to know.
When it comes to de-escalation, it's even harder, since someone who is in a highly aggressive or stressful situation understands their freedom or even life may be on the line and is that much more likely to act in an irrational way. It's the same effect you see when you back an animal into a corner. They'll snap at you and fight for their life even if it's obvious they won't come out on top.
Except for that one who shot at a customer a couple of weeks ago because he told her she forgot his French fries.
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this post was submitted on 19 Oct 2023
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