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submitted 11 months ago by Ersatz86@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

Yet more kabuki theater

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[-] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 53 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Their hypocrisy irks me to no end. Ignore the previous presidents family profiteering, don't worry about bringing all this up immediately after Biden was no longer VP, only get concerned about it after your side has done the same thing.

And don't anybody dare say both sides do it, because if they did the Dems would've done it already, and the Republicans would've brought it up 4 years sooner when it was more relevant.

And if the Republicans are just trying to uphold the rule of law, why are they turning a blind eye to the trump nepotism?

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Let's focus on that first sentence for a moment, and maybe you'll sleep better at night.

Conservatives are incapable of hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy is believing something, or claiming to believe it, and then acting another way. Conservatives cannot be hypocrites because they don't have any values. Nothing matters to a conservative except for the well-being of the conservatives in their group. There are no moral absolutes, no foundational beliefs, no core values at the heart of Conservative ideology. There is only the self and the other. The self is good and the other is evil. Actions, choices, and statements do not have merits, but are judged based on whether they come from the self or the other.

This is why fighting Conservativism is so slippery, and why seemingly reasonable people identify as conservative. It's human nature to be egocentric, and to think that what is best for the self is best for the world. It's comforting to think that the parts of reality that benefit you are the important parts, the traditions and values that make America great, and that all of the things that hurt you are caused by your unholy enemy.

If you view the world through this lens, any fight, any political topic, whatever it is you want, you are righteous. Anything you do to win is righteous. Your victory is commanded by God, and God wants you to smite any who would stand in his(your) way.

If you need to lie, it is important to lie or cheat or kill, it is necessary. If your opponent occupies the moral high ground, this is a devious illusion created to confuse and upset you. If your opponent lies, cheats, or kills tomorrow, it is further evidence of their evil. This is not hypocrisy because it is not the action that you are criticizing, it is the people.

Conservatives get abortions. Conservatives raise taxes and fund pork barrel projects. Conservatives are soft on crime (when the criminals are members of the self). Conservatives increase the power of government to enact morality policing. Conservatives want to take your guns, if you're a minority. Conservatives stifle businesses with regulatory bureaucracy, when doing so benefits their sponsors. Invariably, a Conservative will flip flop on any issue that personally affects them, for as long as it affects them, without any self awareness or shame because their ideology is nothing more than narcissism.

Donald Trump didn't do this to the Conservative party. Donald Trump is the inevitable fulfillment of the promise of Conservativism, the avatar of self-interest, and that's why they love him for it.

So try not to let that irk you. Your frustration comes from expecting more than a Conservative is capable of. You cannot argue with a conservative, reason with them, or convince them to change. You have to ignore their arguments, establish your boundaries, and obstinately stand up for truth and equality. Stay calm and accept no promises. We're not engaged in a debate, we're engaged in a war, and we're not yet winning.

[-] AmberPrince@kbin.social 8 points 11 months ago

There are no moral absolutes, no foundational beliefs, no core values at the heart of Conservative ideology.

I disagree and you kinda touch on it later in the post:

If you view the world through this lens, any fight, any political topic, whatever it is you want, you are righteous.

That is the core value. It's absolutism. They are good people therefore whatever they do is good. Or at least not bad. Abortions are bad, but if they get one, like you said, it's out of necessity. Not because they wanted to. Not like the degenerate left, who does it for fun on a whim.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

But that's my point. It's not moral absolutism, it's identity morality. I'm good, so whatever I do is justified. You're evil, so when you do the same thing I did, it's evil because you did it.

They decry abortion because it wins votes. Winning votes helps them. Any progressive program aimed at reducing abortions is bad, because it's not their plan and it won't win them votes or donations.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

They decry abortion because it wins votes.

Not these days.

[-] rayyy@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Abortion still wins votes in certain locations. Much like the "Southern Strategy" helped the GOP win in the south. Reagan was the father of abortion in 1967 but switched to an anti-abortion stance to win an election.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Which locations? Because it sure didn't in Ohio, Virginia or Kansas. And those are all red states with lots of very religious people.

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 5 points 11 months ago

Agreed. Both sides certainly commit nepotism. But anyone that tries to imply that they are equivalent is like saying a mugger on the street is equal to someone who robs Ft. Knox.

[-] squiblet@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago

Republicans thrive on ridiculous comparisons like that. Another example, that Biden having a few dozen old classified documents in a locked storage room, and then cooperating with authorities to return them, is equivalent to Trump having hundreds sitting around at one of his houses and then trying to hide them once he was discovered.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

The things they’re on about mostly happened after being out of the VP-ship.

At least the stuff that points back to Joe Biden,

[-] dynamojoe@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago

The good news is that the GOP has recently shown us it's totally OK to disregard a politically motivated bad-faith congressional subpoena.

[-] dhork@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Silly rabbit, ignoring a subpoena is for Republicans!

[-] Gargleblaster@kbin.social 15 points 11 months ago

House Republicans launched an impeachment inquiry in September, following months of probes. They allege that Biden and his family have personally profited from policy decisions made by Biden when he was vice president during former President Barack Obama's administration.

Cuz the VP makes policy decisions. Look at all of Kamala's policy decisions. Remember Pence's policy decisions? LOL

[-] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 12 points 11 months ago

Yes, because going after the widow of a vet who died of cancer is going to go over well.

[-] Burninator05@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

You say that as if they actually care about vets despite a lot of then being vets.

[-] dhork@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

All that Hunter and James Biden have to do is switch their voter registration to Republican and -poof!- the Subpoena can be ignored, disappearing in a lack of legislative purpose.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Naw. greene, Boebert and Johnson definitely won’t let it go without a romp. They’ve spent far too much time ideating about hunter’s dick picks.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Still looking for a crime to accuse them of, I see.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 4 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


WASHINGTON, Nov 8 (Reuters) - The U.S. House Oversight Committee said on Wednesday it will issue subpoenas to President Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, and brother, James Biden, to appear for depositions, in an escalation of its impeachment inquiry into the president.

House Republicans announced an impeachment inquiry in September, following months of probes.

They allege that Biden and his family have personally profited from policy decisions Biden made when he was vice president during former President Barack Obama's administration.


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[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Does any one give a shit about what this house does?

[-] squiblet@kbin.social 9 points 11 months ago

It’s a good preview of the horror that would await if they recover control of the senate.

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