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submitted 8 months ago by GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml to c/technology@lemmy.ml

The way they talk about it makes it sound like they invented the written word, but that notwithstanding the fonts actually look really nice in my opinion.

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[-] penquin@lemmy.kde.social 69 points 8 months ago

People actually change fonts in their IDE? I've always used whatever the default is and never even thought about it.

[-] zettajon@lemdro.id 44 points 8 months ago
[-] ObstreperousCanadian@lemmy.ca 7 points 8 months ago

I'm a big fan of Fira Code! I haven't found any others I like more.

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[-] regbin_@lemmy.world 30 points 8 months ago

I always do. I'm a fan of JetBrains Mono.

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[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 14 points 8 months ago

What makes this unique is that they're saying this allows for different fonts in the same piece of code. So you could have comments in one font, your code in another, AI written code in another, etc. Looks like all the fonts are the same size, so everything still aligns nicely.

[-] AstridWipenaugh@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

I'm an Envy Code R fan myself.

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[-] Hubi@feddit.de 61 points 8 months ago

Calling it now, Radon will become the new Comic Sans.

[-] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 25 points 8 months ago

Honestly I could see radon for comments only. It makes it clear that it's a comment by the font alone.

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[-] interolivary@beehaw.org 22 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yeah, I looked at the first couple of fonts, then read all that stuff about readability this, state of the art that, expressive palettes la-di-da and I thought "ok maybe they have an idea here".

Then I looked at the rest of the examples and ran into that… thing. Like, the fucker's so aggressively irritating to read that you could use that font to hide eg. backdoors in code, and reviewers would instinctively skip over those parts just to avoid the pain.

[-] Slotos@feddit.nl 11 points 8 months ago

I mean, Comic Code is pretty damn good.

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[-] cosmic_skillet@lemmy.ml 36 points 8 months ago

That was interesting how they adjusted sizes based on adjacent letters. Good idea

[-] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Great idea but the name texture healing is terrible. It’s not healing anything and there are no textures with fonts. Dynamic or flexible weight makes a lot more sense.

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[-] anguo@lemmy.ca 29 points 8 months ago

Too bad I'm married to JetBrains Mono.

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[-] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk 26 points 8 months ago

I like Hack as my font of choice, but I will probably give this a shot. It's a font, there is no risk of data collection, Microsoft style bugs, or other Microsoft-associated product issues.

[-] sloppy_diffuser@sh.itjust.works 38 points 8 months ago

It's a font, there is no risk of data collection...

TeamViewer checks for a font their app installs when visiting their website to fingerprint you.

https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/teamviewer-font-privacy.html

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[-] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 15 points 8 months ago

In my web browser I personally use uBlock Origin to just block all remote fonts and browse with a JS disabled by default policy. It's an annoying but necessary compromise, in my opinion.

Also, in Firefox v118 a new feature was introduced to curtail the font fingerprint route as well: "The visibility of fonts to websites has been restricted to system fonts and language pack fonts to mitigate font fingerprinting in Private Browsing windows."

I'm sure you know this, but for anyone else scrolling through the comments it is actually ridiculous how much data websites can query and receive to fingerprint users from the web browser. Just look at https://amiunique.org -- "WHY IS THIS ALLOWED?" is the question I have asked for many years now.

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[-] aport@programming.dev 9 points 8 months ago

I used Dejavu Sans for like 10 years, and Hack is the perfect incremental improvement. I've tried to use other fonts but I keep coming back to Hack.

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[-] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 8 months ago
[-] Fridgeratr@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

Thanks I hate it

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[-] indigomirage@lemmy.ca 24 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

They really look nice. A good font makes a huge difference.

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[-] Treczoks@lemm.ee 19 points 8 months ago

Very interesting technique to get the widths of the glyphs uniform without them looking ugly in most cases. OK, one can make it look bad if you know the "pain points" of the system, but in normal flowing texts, the fonts do look good.

[-] simple@lemm.ee 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Looks lovely! The art of fonts is something I will never understand but always appreciate. This website is also brilliant in showing everything dynamically and explaining why it all matters. Safe to say Github will start using it everywhere? It's also open source, which is nice (and makes sense considering what Github is striving for).

Edit: Not 100% sure on texture healing though. Toggling it on and off in the example makes me feel like texture healing makes everything look weirder. It makes the font look less monospace which should be good, but it just messes with my mind when some letters look slightly different in different contexts. Like the spacing is not immediately obvious to me and having the same letters look different is throwing my mind in a loop. I guess I'll need to try it to see if it's comfortable.

[-] MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

https://www.programmingfonts.org/#hack

You can check out fonts here and filter based on mono spacing, ligatures, etc. Hack is by far my favorite font but I just wish I could use it with nerdfont/jetbrains ligatures. It just has this beautiful way of being able to look open and readable while taking up less space than fonts like fira or jetbrains.

Cool for them for making a font, but personally don't think it's up to firacode, hack, jetbrains or many other fonts out there

Wait, why did they invent the phrase "texture healing" for literally what all mono space fonts try to do: make a monospace font that doesn't look like cluttered shit.

[-] bronzle@lemm.ee 9 points 8 months ago

Wait, why did they invent the phrase “texture healing” for literally what all mono space fonts try to do: make a monospace font that doesn’t look like cluttered shit.

They explain it as the same way cursive fonts can have variations on the letters so that they match up (the loop of the y into the e for example). I think it works by having various versions of each glyph: normal, wider to the left, wider to the right, etc) and then pick the glyph based on the surrounding ones.

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[-] doomkernel@sopuli.xyz 17 points 8 months ago

That Krypton font do looking nice

[-] DahGangalang@infosec.pub 8 points 8 months ago

Yeah, like, since when does Microsoft put out something both functional and cool, ya know?

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Like Age of Empires?

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[-] singularity@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago

Having different font styles depending on the context is a really nice feature. I'll definitely give it a try.

[-] duncesplayed@lemmy.one 13 points 8 months ago

It's a cool idea and the example they gave actually seemed pretty neat.

I'd (somewhat perversely) love to see this feature tried in a terminal emulator. ANSI does actually define escape codes for switching to alternative fonts (ESC [ 10 m through ESC [ 19 m) though I don't know of any software or even term drawing library that uses it.

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[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 15 points 8 months ago

I didn't think I had strong opinions on fonts.

Turns out I viscerally despise "handwriting" fonts. They're harder to read. It just makes me recoil.

I also intensely dislike "ligatures " that turn like == into a separate glyph. Or the one that turns >= into the > with the line under it. No. Stop. That's not what I typed. That's not what I'm looking for when I scan the text.

Side note: I assume someone is feeling clever and is thinking of replying with a handwriting font message with ligatures. You don't have to. I already imagined it.

The texture healing seems cool though, but I didn't immediately notice or understand until I read through the detailed section on it.

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[-] 1984@lemmy.today 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Really confusing name for new users, considering we have monotype fonts... Guess we should be happy they didn't name it monatype...

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[-] Dirk@lemmy.ml 12 points 8 months ago

I'm a simple man, I just use DejaVu Sans Mono without any ligatures or other fancy stuff.

Works everywhere.

[-] plumcreek@lemmy.ml 12 points 8 months ago

At least 1Il & 0O are different and (mostly) easily distinguishable in all the variants. Only exception is in the Argon variant 1 and l are too similar IMO.

[-] ThetaDev@lemm.ee 12 points 8 months ago

Will they replace Consolas in Windows with this one or is it a GitHub-only-thing? In Consolas the characters 1 and l look very similar, making the font unsuitable for coding and terminal use, so it would be good if they replaced it with something else.

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[-] morrowind@lemmy.ml 11 points 8 months ago

This "texture healing" seems to be based on commit mono's smart kerning https://commitmono.com/ although it only shifts letters around, it doesn't change the characters.

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[-] Gobbel2000@feddit.de 10 points 8 months ago

I want to make a joke about how terrible the name is with just throwing in an 'a', but I don't think it would be right since I'm using Fira Code.

[-] dandroid@dandroid.app 9 points 8 months ago

I mean, they look nice, but I don't dislike whatever the default font that I use is, and I'm definitely not going to go out of my way to change a font. As long as it's legible, I don't really give two shits what the font is.

[-] LeberechtReinhold@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

The texture healing technique is technically brilliant, but imho looks weird.

I will stick to Source Code Pro.

[-] LucidDaemon@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

I use Comic Mono and love it. Code is 100% easier on the eyes and to read.

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[-] hesusingthespiritbomb@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

So I agree with OP on the style of the press release being infuriating.

It seems like a lot of tech releases these days are written for non technical journalists (ie The Verge), "tech influencers", and cargo cultists. They always read in a way that's super overhyped to the point where you almost want to be dismissive of the end product as a form of protests.

However the tech seems cool. Between VSCode and GitHub we'll be seeing a lot of feedback sooner or later.

[-] lseif@sopuli.xyz 8 points 8 months ago

cool. i will still use fira code, but it may be a nicer default alternative to courier new

[-] Scrof@sopuli.xyz 7 points 8 months ago

Cascading Code failed to impress me, although I'll give this one a try, I doubt it's better than Consolas.

[-] MooseBoys@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

This is brilliant. Definitely going to try this tomorrow.

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