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It was confusing at first (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago by Lemmyin@lemmy.world to c/lemmyworld@lemmy.world

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[+] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 96 points 1 year ago

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[-] Lemmyin@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Wait, what? Beehaw is defederated? I still see lots of post from Beehaw on my feed.

[-] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The mods announced it today. There’s a giant pinned thread on Beehaw about it.

I tried making posts here on my Beehaw account and I could see them while logged into Beehaw but not when logged into Lemmy.world. Some of my older posts were no longer visible outside of my Beehaw account. Also some of my posts had comments from Beehaw people vanish all at once. My older posts from the Beehaw account are still visible, so I think some posts/comments remain visible if they happened before defederation.

I’m not sure which levers the mods there are pulling because the effects do seem inconsistent, and the mods seem in a bit of a frenzy trying to figure it out themselves.

[-] QHC@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago

Federation is a two-way connection. Beehaw shut off the incoming stream, essentially, so anyone commenting or posting on spaces from that instance will not be seen by users logged into Beehaw. However, the outgoing stream is still active so anything posted there that you subscribe to or visit from another instance can still be seen. Users on other instances can even comment in those threads, but users on Beehaw would not see those comments.

For me it helps to think of the instance you are logged into as the place you trust the most. Content from other sources can always come in, but you can choose to simply not see things you don't want. This is a fundamental part of how the Fediverse works, for better or worse.

[-] C8H10N4O2@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

That's interesting. What happens if a lemmy user replies to a beehaw user's comment from a lemmy instance? Does the beehaw user just never see it?

[-] QHC@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

Yeah, but small correction: Beehaw only defederated from two specific instances of Lemmy, not the entire system. If you were engaging with a Beehaw community from lemmy.one or other instances that Beehaw is still federated with, everyone sees everything on both sides.

Also, if the Beehaw user really wanted to engage with the lemmy.world or other defederated instances, nothing is stopping them form creating an account on that instance (or any other instance federated with the desired community) and commenting or posting from there.

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[-] WomboCombo@lemmy.nilskrau.de 14 points 1 year ago

There is a post explaining the details here: https://lemmy.world/post/149743

[-] Lemmyin@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Ok I took a minute to read some of it. It’s just confusing to me, how is Beehaw defederating from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works for whatever reason is not like exactly like what Reddit is doing to third party apps? You want to federate with us? Sure, but you have to play by OUR rules. That’s not how it should work.

[-] WomboCombo@lemmy.nilskrau.de 12 points 1 year ago

Defederating in this situation means (to my very limited understanding). Users on lemmy.world can see posts from beehaw.org, they also can interact with the posts/comments. Those interactions just don't show up on beehaw.org, so that they don't have to moderate as much.

Reddit charging a metric ton of cash for their api is more or less if you would have to pay (the creator of lemmy) for each user if you decide to create your own instance (lemmy.world, beehaw.org and whatnot).

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[-] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes, I am miffed. With such a focus on community I’d have expected a discussion thread or poll for Beehaw members before making a nuclear action, not a thread posted after it was done. It was a very sudden action. I’m not thrilled that anybody against the idea over there is being painted as some kind of problematic person. It is giving me a bad vibe.

Also, nothing in the pinned post I saw mentioned talking with the Lemmy.world mods. It seems to me that attempting communication to come to a mutually agreed standard of behavior is something to be tried as an early measure. Just because there aren’t a lot of built in technical mode tools doesn’t take away talking.

The fact that Beehaw mods unilaterally decided this, without prior input from other communities or their own members really bugs me.

I was very optimistic for Beehaw but this is a worrying use of petty mod power.

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[-] Kayzels@lemmy.fmhy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Exactly. Am no longer using my lemmy.world account. I made a kbin one first, before I realised that Jerboa didn't support it. So now I have three accounts.

[-] OneDimensionPrinter@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

Boom. I just installed jerboa a few minutes ago and am replying to you with it now.

I do like how it kinda/sorta looks like how I had Boost setup before.

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[-] readbeanicecream@kbin.social 29 points 1 year ago

It gets more confusing when the instance you joined decides to unfederate and half of your subs stop working! Then you have to join a new instance and start over because subs nor usernames carry over.

[-] kresten@feddit.dk 25 points 1 year ago

Do you have a grasp of the fediverse now?

[-] Lemmyin@lemmy.world 63 points 1 year ago

[-] kresten@feddit.dk 9 points 1 year ago

It sounds like you know enough to use the site properly :)

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[-] StagYeti@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

I have like three now, because it wasn't clear that that wasn't required. I think I'm getting it more now, but it's taking a bit to get there.

[-] Richie@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

It was confusing at first

The confusion never went away. Beehaw defederated, so I understand that you would then have to create a specific Beehaw account in order to engage with Beehaw communities, but why would I want to as a Lemmy.world user, is what I'm confused about.

[-] Wander@yiffit.net 13 points 1 year ago

That's not the most convenient though. You could have an account on any instance that's not lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works and you'd be able to access both beehaw and Lemmyworld/shitjustworks

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[-] dan96kid@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

As of now I have an account on lemmy.world and kbin.social

[-] Peef_Rimgar@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Same. LW/kbin gang.

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[-] crippletown@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I have no idea whats going on

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[-] oldLady80@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

i need a tutorial

[-] Zednix@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago

Nope, still confusing

[-] name_not_needed@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I hope this place gets better with time.

[-] parallax@local106.com 12 points 1 year ago

And this is why you roll your own instance just for auth

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[-] Arbiter@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Reminds me of the good old days creating a different identity for each forum I signed up at.

[-] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

On the internet, you can literally just be anyone you want.

[-] 007v2@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Thanks for the advice, Margot!

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[-] pascal@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

New here, does it mean my username propagated to other instances?

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[-] swamplord@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Lol. I can barely figure out one.

[-] LA71@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

So, I’ve a question. Is there a back button?
I’ll select something from my feed, but then get stuck having to then go all the way back and scroll all the way back down to where I left off.

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[-] Ravan@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I will stick to only one account. Too much accounts are pain.

[-] hlqxz@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Lmao I did this, but for Mastodon. Mastodon kinda helped me to understand the concept a better

[-] michikade@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I have 2 with the idea that if my home instance went down I’d still be able to see what’s going on. Not that I’m concerned about a mass failure, more for like server maintenance downtimes.

[-] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Yes, you have to create an account on every instance that exists and always use that account to interact with that instance.

If you keep a central account, one day you will anger the wrong person and they will blacklist you off the entire fediverse, losing all relationships and history to overcome ostracisation.

I even consider making a new account per instance per month. Maybe the process could be automated too.