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Tolkien (lemmy.world)

submitted 2 years ago by robocall@lemmy.world to c/lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world

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[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Where’s Tim Scott when you need him?

[–] RojoSanIchiban@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

He is busy having an entirely heterosexual dinner date with his heterosexual female Christian girlfriend.

[–] Currens_felis@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

He’s not running for president anymore, he should have some free time.

[–] Chickenstalker@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago (3 children)

What's Tolkien have to do with this?

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Bone apple tea moment. (Token)

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

No, they retconned his name to be Tolkien because Token just doesn't sit well as a joke anymore, especially because they have other black characters on the show now.

[–] earlgrey0@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I am assuming they’re referencing South Park.

https://southpark.fandom.com/wiki/Tolkien_Black

[–] guckfoogle@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

It is also a racial slur that has been used historically to degrade and dehumanize blacks.

[–] ericisshort@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

That was what South Park was getting at by naming their one black kid Token. And after 20+ years, they retconned him to be named Tolkien.

[+] opp@lemmy.ml -10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Which sounds exactly like the slur it is. Try saying the n word exactly how it sounds to a black person, and then tell them you added a letter so it's not a slur anymore and see what happens.

Matter of fact just call somebody black token or Tolkien to their face and see what happens. You will get knocked out it doesn't matter if you added an extra letter to your slur or not.

This is all just bad taste.

[–] ericisshort@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Oh no doubt. It is definitely in poor taste, but norms have shifted so that most people see it that way now. I’m just saying they retconned to be that the white people just assumed his name was Token. In no way did I mean to imply saying it with the extra letter makes it ok to call a black person by that name.

[–] opp@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 years ago

You're fine, as a black man there's just few words that genuinely irritate me as much as token.

[–] chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I wouldn't hit you for a slur. I will write you off as a asshole. As for the South Park thing, the reveal is specifically calling put what you said about it sounding the same. Let's preface this by saying I don't watch much South Park, really just small clips like these to get context.

Additional context is understanding South Park likes to bring up social issues in offensive ways, which some find funny and others find distasteful. I'm pretty sure when it started it was just a joke, though one to make fun of shows with one black character. The retcon to me just feels like an evolution of the joke as humor, sensitivities, and acknowledgement of these issues grew. Plus hopefully the writers matured (as mentioned, I really only see popular clips so not sure).

To me, the way the Tolkien thing played out felt like it was similar to ManBearPig. The latter is technically a self own; they mocked climate change in the past and are now saying it's true and they were wrong.

Is the apology genuine? I couldn't say, I don't know them. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt though.

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[–] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago

Yes, that's why he was named Token to begin with.

[–] Lev_Astov@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I came here to find out and now I'm going with: "nothing."

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

[–] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

[–] audiomodder@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nobody told them about Herman Cain huh?

[–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

And the Hershel Walker school of Parenting

[–] MoreOrLess@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Black Republicans are NOT a monolith!

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Im absolutely shocked and surprised /s

[–] slurpeesoforion@startrek.website 2 points 2 years ago

Ah. This is old chestnut.