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[-] GlitterInfection@lemmy.world 75 points 10 months ago

Dismissing good advice because the person who gave it to you has flaws is the epitome of logical behavior!

[-] araozu@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago

Let's assume I didn't know about vaccines and I went to ask for advice to someone. How would I know if what they told me was good advice?

I would ask myself, are they an authority on the subject? Where do they draw the advice from? Who says they are an authority? What did they have to do to earn that authority? Do other authorities say the same?

Are mormons authorities on logic? Why trust advice about logic from someone that doesn't follow logic?

A liar can say that lying is bad. A killer can say that killing is bad. It just so happens that the advice is good, in spite of who said it.

[-] GlitterInfection@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

You ended up agreeing with me in that last sentence.

Disregarding advice you know is good already because you don't respect the source is an emotional, not logical, choice.

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[-] idiomaddict@feddit.de 32 points 10 months ago

I think it’s pretty logical to outwardly seem like a Mormon in Utah, so I guess it depends.

[-] WoodlandAlliance@lemm.ee 27 points 10 months ago

Hot take: Mormon doctrine is no stranger or harder to believe than any other flavor of Christianity. They're just a minority so they stand out more.

Mormon church practices however are straight up low level cult behavior.

[-] SheDiceToday@eslemmy.es 12 points 10 months ago

I mean, I can't think of another sect of christianity that requires special underwear. Outerwear, sure, but underwear? Creepy.

[-] WoodlandAlliance@lemm.ee 17 points 10 months ago

Is that really creepier than other Christian practices, or is mainstream Christianity just so normalized that you don't question it?

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It is a little different when your origin story is very obviously a mediocre conman having his shitty cons described by multiple eye witness accounts and having your myths be 2000 years old with no first hand accounts.

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[-] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 7 points 10 months ago

Most christians pretend to be cannibals as a weekly rite.

The person they are cannibalizing is the same one they worship.

The extra layer of clothes is the most boring thing about mormons.

[-] reattach@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago
[-] SheDiceToday@eslemmy.es 5 points 10 months ago

No, there are plenty that do it. Not weekly, but most do it yearly. I've known nondenominational places, lutheran, baptist, episcopalian, and methodists that do.

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[-] cogman@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

It's harder to believe because it's easily disproven. Turns out Joseph's "translation" of ancient Egyptian wasn't inspired.

[-] WoodlandAlliance@lemm.ee 11 points 10 months ago

The Bible is just as easy to disprove my dude. Neither book is real, our society just pretends one is more reasonable.

[-] cogman@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Not just as easy. There's a lot of room for someone to say "this was actually just metaphor" or even "these are just stories to convey values".

Take the tower of Babel, for example, we know it never happened. However, a more progressive Christian or Jewish tradition can use the story to talk about how sometimes cultural differences are simply surface level, we are all ultimately the same people. Mormons aren't so lucky because the book of Mormon was pitched as a literal history and part of the book has literal refugees from the tower of Babel.

Unlike the Bible, we have the author of the religion who very well documented how literal everything is. We don't even know who authored nearly any book in the Bible or their motivations.

I'm not arguing for a god, I'm an atheist exmo. However, there's a pretty big difference between a bunch of old stories compiled together into a book and a book of fiction that the author went out of his way to claim was "the most correct book ever written".

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[-] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 10 months ago

No but any religion is similarly "illogical", Mormons are the same as other Christians with extra "m"

[-] Sneptaur@pawb.social 23 points 10 months ago

Wow Reddit really did migrate here

[-] Custoslibera@lemmy.world 39 points 10 months ago
[-] Wild_Mastic@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

Ah yes, makes 100 bln dollar profit illegally and tax free, pay 5m fee as punishment. What a fucking joke.

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[-] Tvkan@feddit.de 25 points 10 months ago

And not just any reddit, but 2010 reddit – in both the best and the worst ways.

[-] YoFrodo@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

It's like fat people telling you to eat healthy. Just because they don't do it doesn't mean it's bad advice

[-] Klear@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Reminds me of the rabbi whose congregation complained about his many vices, saying that he's supposed to be better, he's supposed to show them the way. So he brought them to the edge of the town and showed them a direction sign.

"Does it show you the way? It does. And do you want it to go anywhere?"

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[-] ivanafterall@kbin.social 16 points 10 months ago

As someone who has worked with and for Mormons, it's a special kind of hell. Usually some flavor of narcissist stunted at a middle-school level of inward development.

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[-] crmsnbleyd@sopuli.xyz 16 points 10 months ago

Actually, mormons think they are very logical. I've seen many instances of people talking about how Brandon Sanderson being Mormon is why he's so thorough at world building.

[-] Custoslibera@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

Does he write his world building on golden plates?

Perhaps he dictates his stories using a seer stone while staring into a hat?

[-] BrandoGil@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The flaw of the meme isn't that it's picking on religion, the flaw of it is that it assumes illogical views negate logical views. Believing that angels hid golden plates in New England doesn't negate good looks at a P&L in the same way that a Christian working at NASA that believes a dude rose from the dead doesn't negate good math to get a satellite into space. In the same way that me being agnostic doesn't mean I'm always logical and rational in every situation.

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[-] lesnout27@feddit.de 11 points 10 months ago

dum dum dum dum dum

[-] m0darn@lemmy.ca 14 points 10 months ago

A slightly different hot take:

Professing to be a mormon is a logical decision if your culture is mormon.

Disinterest in pursuing a more empirical world view is not illogical if one would have to damage their relationship with those closest to them in its pursuit.

(Sorry about the pretentiousness of that (and this) sentence, I can't find a more vernacular way of expressing these ideas succinctly).

[-] araozu@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

What you said (and such defenses of religion) makes me think: If I see someone ready to jump off a bridge, and I can stop them against their will, should I? I mean, inside their brain they are ending their suffering. They don't see value in life. But I do. Whose worldview is more important?

What if it was drugs, should I stop them? What if it was drinking every weekend? What if it was refusing to go outside without a mask in the middle of a pandemic?

What if it was following the cult of their parents, which encourages abuse & discrimination of women, opression of minorities, supression & regression of scientific advances and further indoctrination of future generations? If I have the power to get someone out of their cult against their will, should I?

Or what if it was continuing to feed a system that brainwashes people into thinking that monetary gain is what's important in life, that the system is infallible, and no alternatives exist?

Should we act against what we perceive as wrong, even if it's against the will of other persons? Where do we draw the line? Who decides what is right and what is wrong?

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[-] bizarrocullen@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

Wait till you hear about Jehova's witnesses.

[-] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago

Not that this is a competition, but both score about equally high on the BITE model for identifying cults.

[-] Custoslibera@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Blood transfusions and birthday celebrations are the work of the devil?

Say it isn’t so!

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[-] Buttons@programming.dev 6 points 10 months ago

Boss says "make logical decisions". Insights like this are why they pay him the big bucks. Not just anybody can come up with such insights. (/s)

[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago

I mean it's damn close but if you continue to zoom out you'll see another point even further away. That my dear is the GOP.

[-] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago

Well, do they believe the crazy bullshit, or are they just an opportunist looking to make connections? Church is lucrative.

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[-] fluckx@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

My favorite saying is:

Not my monkey, not my circus

Edit: flipped my saying around by accident. I guess I do need more sleep

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