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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by funky_tomatoe@lemmygrad.ml to c/comradeship@lemmygrad.ml

The mods really aren't interested in getting people to learn about anything the don't agree with huh?

Edit: Also I can't seem to appeal the ban lmao. Mods mad.

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[-] Rom@hexbear.net 39 points 11 months ago

The sub sidebar has Mao in it lmao what the fuck even is their stance

Anyway the fact that reddit-logo hasn't even quarantined them yet means they aren't a threat to the status quo, and if the status quo isn't afraid of them they're not very good communists.

[-] olgas_husband@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 11 months ago

what theirs and yours stances on china?

did you got banned for saying it is socialist or capitalist?

[-] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 37 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

That subreddit is an op. This is the top post (and the accompanying top comment on that post) right now:

EDIT:

I cannot find much info about Chuangcn.org but from their about page they sound Gonzaloist. Also their domain registrar is Godaddy so make of that what you will:

[-] Kultronx@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 11 months ago

iirc they are more bs 'libertarian' socialists... china bad hong kong riots good type shit

[-] olgas_husband@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 11 months ago

oh, i see, western marxist

[-] Kultronx@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 11 months ago

heavily western leftcom influenced for sure. they post anonymously but i wouldn't doubt that their class character is of privileged western educated rich expat petty bourgeoisie

[-] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I like how the comment asks whether China "will become" socialist not even bothering to ask whether they are proceeding from a false premise. No, China will not become socialist by 2050 because it already is socialist and has been since its liberation in 1949.

That subreddit is so aggressively incurious and so offended by the mere concept of learning something new which contradicts their preconceptions that i am starting to believe it cannot be anything other than an op. Maybe it didn't start out that way but it is one now.

[-] spectre@hexbear.net 18 points 11 months ago

Id take it a step farther and say that I wouldnt address the "socialistness" of an institution as a binary, but as a spectrum of characteristics (of which the PRC/CPC has many, but is lacking others)

[-] funky_tomatoe@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 11 months ago

Yes this was the post I replied to lol

[-] What_Religion_R_They@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago

I'm pretty sure that sub was celebrating Gonzalo and banning anyone who spoke against the Shining Path, so yeah.

[-] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 11 months ago

banning anyone who spoke against the Shining Path

Close but it was worse than this. They autobanned anyone who had ever posted in a subreddit they considered suspect like GenZedong.

[-] funky_tomatoe@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 11 months ago

Got banned for saying that China isn't state capitalist. Tbf I didn't really say it just copy and pasted some great comment from the GenZhou archive and linked to lemmygrad, but they got mad at me.

[-] LoomingMountain@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 11 months ago
[-] funky_tomatoe@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 11 months ago

https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/191392 some of the links in the comment don't work anymore tho

[-] sinovictorchan@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 11 months ago

r/communism is one of the many slogan leftist subs in Reddit that self-identifies as leftist and then help the Western European diaspora tank anyone that threatens Pax Americana authoritarianism in their hypocritical opposition towards their own tankiejerker slogan. One of the indicators of the impersonation is the refusal to accept any belief other than the lies by Pax Americana, Bretton Woods institutions, and Western European diaspora. Another indicator is their hostile reaction towards any evidence that prove that Communist countries has success of human rights or economic advancement. Another indicator is their use of redefinition of dictatorship to mean authoritarianism or totalitarianism to confuse people or their use of vaguely defined authoritarianism or totalitarianism as meaningless slurs.

[-] AlpineSteakHouse@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago

It's a right of passage for many leftists, don't worry about it.

[-] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago

Seems like they should read some theory

Today, the bourgeoisie and the opportunists within the labor movement concur in this doctoring of Marxism. They omit, obscure, or distort the revolutionary side of this theory, its revolutionary soul. They push to the foreground and extol what is or seems acceptable to the bourgeoisie. All the social-chauvinists are now “Marxists” (don’t laugh!).

[-] Inshallah@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

This is the second old thread I've bumped but I searched r/communism to see what people's thoughts and experiences were here on Lemmygrad. Not long ago I had some free time and added some new books to my collection, mainly some of Stalin's writings that I hadn't read and I went along with my partner who was working to stay in the middle of nowhere - perfect for study. But I wanted a platform for asking questions/aiding my study and checked out reddit for the first time. Was banned in r/communism fairly quickly for a couple of days for helping a newbie with some suggestions for reading on a certain topic which was basically some ML theory supplemented with a couple of texts that were from bourgeois media sources and a book in which Chomsky had written a fairly decent account of the basic history of the topic, but these sources were relevant and helpful in understanding the topic in question (I can't remember what the topic was).

Later I was banned for quite a well-thought out ML analyses/comment in a thread that was "upvoted" many times but the mods didn't like it and banned me without giving a reason. I saw other subreddits and found the "you're not a real communist until you've been banned from r/communism" thing being said and found decent comrades but initially I felt really sh*tty about it. It started to make sense to me in that they embody the worst stereotypes about "communists": disagreeable, hostile and all the rest of it which obviously isn't true at all given how much of our work consists of education - education never ends. I saw other people suggest that it was a fed-run operation to turn people - especially newbies - away from understanding communism/communist theory and to put them off entirely. If it could even make me momentarily second guess myself then I can't imagine what kind of effect this would have on someone just starting out.

But yes, fed-run and they have an unreasonably dogmatic rule which is something like: "mandatory: read Settlers" as in you must read what is a disputed work or you are not welcome.

For such a hostile environment supposedly run by and for communists, I can only understand it as being designed to put people off of engaging with communist theory/praxis etc. and this makes me think that its a psyop/fed run or whatever. The J. Sakai thing being "mandatory" was a major sign that something was wrong IMO, regardless of what comrades think of that text.

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