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The shear amount of tankiness over on lemmy.ml is making me seriously consider leaving the platform.

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[–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 years ago

The best recruitment are liberals hyping up how we're a bunch of genocidal maniacs only for users to see that is utter bullshit. So please, keep screeching about tankies. It's free advertisement for us and also amusing to watch anticommunists (inb4 tankies are't real communists) make fools of themselves.

[–] Otome-chan@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

the ml in lemmy.ml stands for Marxist-Leninist...

[–] sisyphean@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh wow someone finally explained it! Thanks!

[–] Otome-chan@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

it was more of a joke but... yeah I think that might actually have been the intent lol

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Well it’s not like they’re based in Mali. Had to have been intentional for that reason.

[–] Otome-chan@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

alternatively: they're just really into machine learning

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[–] flibbertigibbet@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago

It unfortunately is very much the intent, but they don't want to say that up front because no one would join.

[–] qprimed@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (5 children)

lemmy.ml is federated with most other instances (yes, including lemmygrad.ml). I would say the content on lemmy.ml is pretty indicative of the norm across the fediverse. my feed is diverse enough to remain interesting to me without many extreme examples of any sort.

various instances will have different vibes and different local content. find instances that you jive with and you are golden. if those instances generally play nice with the network at large, then their content will be available widely. if not, then just center your experience around the local content on those instances.

federation makes.the best of all worlds avaliable to you.

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[–] admin@fediverse.boo 1 points 2 years ago

As others have said, come join us in kbin land :) There are some other kbin instances listed here on the project website if you want to sign up on one other than the main instance: https://kbin.pub/en

I just opened up user registrations on mine yesterday so it hasn't been added to that page yet.

I say come give it a try! It's cool that kbin has lemmy + kbin + mastodon integration. Kind of a one stop hub for all the content. I'm hoping down the line we can get matrix integration and some other fediverse stuff.

[–] Drakonia@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

i mean its literally .ml so im not sure exactly what you were expecting? except for most of the reddfugees being directed there, the core demographic is tankies. just use an instance more alligned with your values instead; i use slrpnk.net because well im an Anarcho-Solarist.

and if the tankie content really impacts your enjoyment of lemmy, just block offending users or communities.

[–] gawdahm@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

i mean its literally .ml so im not sure exactly what you were expecting?

fairly sure that isn't as obvious for most people as you think it is

[–] flibbertigibbet@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

People as deep into the ideology as people on here are think the dog whistles are signposts.

[–] certain_people@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

i mean its literally .ml so im not sure exactly what you were expecting?

Machine learning

[–] flibbertigibbet@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm on another instance but it's making me rather uncomfortable that a lot of the traffic is happening on an instance that seems like it's 90 CCP members and Russian trolls.

[–] Drakonia@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

yeah thas just the consequence of that instance being linked in a lot of exodus posts... not much we can change but i assume itll equalize out as lemmy grows and people spread out to other instances. ofc that a lot of the communities are on .ml sucks but that too may change with future developments such as multi-community implementations.

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[–] maard@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"everyone who disagrees is a russian troll/ccp paid shill" aight mate. Just get on beehaw and eventually they'll defederate from lemmy.ml too and you'll be good.

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[–] fr0g@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

Yeah, it's a bit of a conundrum. Lemmygrad is the most egregious part of it and easy to block thankfully.
But I agree with some of the other posters that lemmy.ml is still pretty bad in terms of what gets allowed and who gets modetated. Luckily, this still is not an unsolvable problem in a federated world. Of course lemmy.ml could also just be blocked, but many instances will probably be reluctant to do that, as it also hosts some of the bigger communities currently. But we can make an effort to prioritize non lemmy.ml communities over their counterpart, a different meme community over memes@lemmy.ml etc, and if consensus is strong enough and enough communities shift, lemmy.ml could theoretically find itself in a position where it will have to clean up their moderation practices or risk wider defederation.

[–] 018118055@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Probably a good idea to fork Lemmy at some point.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] 018118055@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I have an account there too. Two problems for me there at the moment and they're both technical. I can't find a native mobile client for it (mobile web is ok but not ideal) and iirc it's written in PHP which is problematic. I think a reasonable answer is both.

[–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago

KBin is written in PHP? Oof.

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[–] Ginkko117@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

Well, I guess we should consider it as one of the trials of freedom. Either you live in a walled garden, or you have to be conscious about what you're interacting with and exercise critical thinking. If you don't want to be associated with genocide supporters - don't register on tankie instances, or even don't subscribe to any content from them. It should be a personal decision of every user (or instance maintainer for that matter - defederation is also an option, simply because instance maintainers are also people).
Another important thing is to speak up about it - to raise awareness, so to speak. It's perfectly reasonable to state what the worldview of tankie admins is - in threads like this, as well as on other platforms. I was considering lemmy.ml as Reddit replacement at first, but saw a comment on one of the Fediverse sites and digged more into this.

[–] fr0g@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

Yeah, it's a bit of a conundrum. Lemmygrad is the most egregious part of it and easy to block thankfully.
But I agree with some of the other posters that lemmy.ml is still pretty bad in terms of what gets allowed and who gets modetated. Luckily, this still is not an unsolvable problem in a federated world. Of course lemmy.ml could also just be blocked, but many instances will probably be reluctant to do that, as it also hosts some of the bigger communities currently. But we can make an effort to prioritize non lemmy.ml communities over their counterpart, a different meme community over memes@lemmy.ml etc, and if consensus is strong enough and enough communities shift, lemmy.ml could theoretically find itself in a position where it will have to clean up their moderation practices or risk wider defederation.

[–] exohuman@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

You can join /kbin. I joined kbin over Lemmy after researching the creators. From kbin, you can still interact with Lemmy instances but you won’t be on a platform owned by tankies.

[–] CascadeDismayed@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Only Reddit neoliberal crybabies whine about "tankies". From what I can see it's mostly baseless accusations/smear campaign because as I said, they are crybabies who cannot deal with the real world. It's an open source project. His views are not relevant to the discussion and not particularly that uncommon outside of isolated Westerner bubbles. Spez the Reddit CEO was the moderator of a paedophile subreddit (jailbait) but nobody is up in arms about that or concerned about going back if the API changes are rolled back. Those people are as lost as old people who love FoxNews, Facebook or any other commercially charged propaganda vehicle.

These leftists you hate so much have done something good. They've seized the means of communication for you. It's open source and decentralised, it's up to you (the community) what to do with it. If you are hardstuck on this then I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but the dev ain't one.

[–] maard@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago

tbh after a few weeks these same libs will flock back towards reddit anyway, a few weeks of slacktivism is as much as they can do.

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