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Japan 'concerned' US continues to fly Ospreys despite grounding request (www.reuters.com)
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[-] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I had a friend whose dad worked on the v-22 program, knew a number of the engineers and guys who died on the early flights.

One night while he was “loose” he said that the plane was pretty safe and a lot of accidents are actually a fantastic way to explain the death of people they need to explain the deaths of.

It’s my favorite conspiracy theory, that these accidents are just battle casualties for things they don’t want to admit. That the v-22 is an “accident farm”

edit: for the sake of clarity, there is no evidence whatsoever for this at all. It was literally someone talking shit and they could have (and probably were) just been talking nonsense anyways. It’s fun to think of in the way a video game plot is fun.

I have absolutely no reason to believe this is true, but I like thinking it

[-] stevehobbes@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

What an insane thing to repeat without any evidence.

[-] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 22 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I’ve literally said from start to finish it’s a wild conspiracy theory with no evidence, I have no reason to believe it’s true nor should anyone who saw what I said.

And I’ll add some “in case you’re a moron boilerplate” to it

Though in this scenario I’d be a 3rd party source, as I heard it from a first party. My credibility is suspect as you don’t know how valid my claim is anyways.

[-] speff@disc.0x-ia.moe 5 points 7 months ago

And I’ll add some “in case you’re a moron boilerplate” to it

This is actually needed. People see the conspiracy disclaimer as a wink wink and just believe everything as-is.

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

It's not exactly crazy to talk about the US government assassinating people. The craziest part is supposing they try that hard to hide it.

[-] fishos@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

What they mean is you have a covert ops team doing missions they can't acknowledge. Team takes heavy losses in a mission. How do you report those deaths/injuries? Easy: Osprey crash. It's not assassinations, it's being able to fabricate a legitimate cause of death for someone who died in a way you don't want to admit. Not necessarily assassinations. Even accidental deaths could be covered up this way according to the rumor/theory if the accident was something they didn't want to bring to light. Not saying all Osprey deaths are this or that only the osprey is used for this.

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Now I get it. Sorry for the misunderstanding

[-] fishos@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

No problem. People were down voting you when it was clear there were different thoughts going on. You good 👍

[-] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

Yes and again, this was all said with no evidence and is just fiction effectively.

[-] fishos@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Exactly. Keyboard warriors getting up in arms over a story being shared. Ffs.

[-] Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Until the cause of this one is determined, the only V-22 crash that wasn't pilot error was due to a maintenance error where a mechanic wired the controls backwards.

[-] deranger@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

Pilot error is rarely the actual cause, but is a convenient scapegoat. I worked in rotary accident investigation in the Army and that’s not something you’ll read in a report. There’s other issues; why is this aircraft in particular so prone to pilot error? Perhaps it’s poorly designed?

[-] Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

It's because it's a heavy rotorcraft. Not poor design, just rotorcraft physics. It's prone to enter a vortex ring state if the descent rate in relation to forward velocity is too high. The same thing can happen with any normal helicopter, but the V-22 has a lot of weight for the disk area of it's rotors, giving stronger vortices from the rotors.

It's a pilot training thing, but I think they did put some sort of alert system on it if it's getting close to the conditions that induce VRS.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex_ring_state

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/2022/06/28/ntsb-jim-clayton-fault-fatal-tennessee-river-helicopter-crash/7760608001/

https://verticalmag.com/news/ntsb-report-virginia-state-police-helicopter-crash/

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_mwUCiiEHos

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[-] deranger@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It's because it's a heavy rotorcraft. Not poor design, just rotorcraft physics.

Like I said, poor design. Wrong tool for the job.

It can’t travel slow enough for blackhawks nor fast enough for fixed wing. The V-22 is an absolute turd.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 4 points 7 months ago

I thought they were designed for things like marine search and rescue, where speed is important and the ability to hover is essential.

[-] Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

They're great at this, but the pilot needs to stay within the operating envelope, same as any helicopter.

All rotorcraft are dangerous compared to any fixed wing aircraft. It's a lot less forgiving on pilots and maintenance crews.

[-] deranger@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Well, they’re not fast (prop too big) nor are they particularly great at hovering (rotor too small).

It’s the worst of both worlds.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 points 7 months ago

They're faster than any conventional helicopter, right?

[-] deranger@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Yes, but slower and less range than fixed wing. Likewise, it can’t do rotary wing things as good as a helicopter. It’s truly a “master of none” aircraft. It’s not great at anything.

Putting it in a rescue role is a terrible idea. You do not want a finicky to fly, unreliable aircraft in that scenario.

[-] Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Read all the links, it's nothing unique to the V-22. All rotorcraft suffer from the same condition.

Pilots just have to be careful while descending with low forward velocity.

[-] deranger@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I repeat - tiny heavily loaded rotors are the wrong tool for the job thus making it a bad design

[-] Redex68@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Interesting, I heard it had a very bad reputation for it's reliability, but I guess it's just that it's extremely hard to control then.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 3 points 7 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Japan's Coast Guard has said one person was found and confirmed dead, and the search for the remaining seven aboard continues.

Asked about that statement, Japan's chief cabinet secretary, Hirokazu Matsuno, said Tokyo had "officially" made the request.

"We are concerned that despite our repeated requests, and in the absence of sufficient explanation (from the U.S. military), the Osprey continues to fly," he told a news conference.

The deployment of the hybrid aircraft in Japan has been controversial, with critics of the U.S. military presence in the southwest islands saying it is prone to accidents.

Pacifist Japan hosts the biggest overseas concentration of U.S. military power, with the country home to the only forward-deployed American carrier strike group, its Asian airlift hub, fighter squadrons and a U.S. Marine Corps expeditionary force.

Dujarric said that he did not expect the issue to "blow up" into a major diplomatic spat between the allies, who have been forging closer ties in the face of China's increasingly muscular military stance in the region.

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 1 points 7 months ago

If I was a pilot, I'd also be concerned about using an Osprey. I've heard from people who've flown them how much they fucking suck and are hard to fly.

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