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Hungary blocks €50bn of EU funding for Ukraine (www.bbc.co.uk)

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[-] spiderkle@lemmy.ca 46 points 9 months ago

Such a predictable traitor. Hopefully he has shown the EU where it needs to update it's democratic processes.

[+] ndsvw@feddit.de 44 points 9 months ago

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[-] Ravi@feddit.de 30 points 9 months ago

One could say your reaction is strongly dependent on your relation to the one shooting rockets.

[-] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 15 points 9 months ago

Hungary wants Russia as a neighbor

[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 10 points 9 months ago

i dont think so. Orban wants to play the Russians, Chinese and EU to whatever is current opportunities are.

The problem with this kind of balancing act is, that it erodes your support much faster than choosing one side and sticking with them. But the EU wants some minimum level of democracy and efforts to hide corruption that Orban doesnt want to abide by. But i am sure he full well knows that the Russians would chew him up and fart him out, if they get the chance to.

[-] maynarkh@feddit.nl 7 points 9 months ago

There is a non-negligible amount of revisionists in Hungary that would prefer to shoot rockets from Hungary's side as well and take territory from Ukraine.

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Are we forgetting the very start of the war, when the Hungarian rhetoric was "we need to go to the region that is 'disputed' by Hungary to protect Hungarians from the evil Russia"?

[-] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 27 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That Ukrainian guy that hit that Dutch fascist, Thierry Baudet, on the head with an umbrella needs to come in and cave Orban’s skull in with a beach umbrella.

[-] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 23 points 9 months ago

Can’t we just boot them from the fucking Union, all he does is mooch EU funds to build his private domain modeled after russia, or obstruct something everyone else wants to extort more money while his whole domestic politics play is to shit on the EU.

[-] awwwyissss@lemm.ee -4 points 9 months ago

boot them

Is that what the Kremlin wants?

[-] irreticent@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

No. They can do more damage from the inside.

[-] eran_morad@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

Send orban to the russian front, where he belongs.

[-] Lophostemon@aussie.zone 21 points 9 months ago

Orban needs a nice vacation.

[-] Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

He practically owns Hungary. I think the country would deserve a long holiday from Orban and his party.

[-] ModsAreCopsACAB@lemm.ee 12 points 9 months ago

Out of a window.

[-] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 3 points 9 months ago

Defenestration Nation!

[-] Chariotwheel@kbin.social 6 points 9 months ago

Don't you think he look tired?

[-] uebquauntbez@feddit.de 15 points 9 months ago

Why not use those requirements he asks for Ukraine to join the EU on Hungary too? No to oligarchs, no to corruption, no to lack of democratic structures would bounce back on him and his oligarchic friends. Fix it, Victor or leave the EU!

[-] CJOtheReal@ani.social 8 points 9 months ago

Bro can we finally kill orban?

[-] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I really hope that with Tusk leading Poland now, we finally are going to some real pressure be exerted onto the Orban regime at least.

Alternatively, silencing Orban by other means is fine by me as well.

[-] CJOtheReal@ani.social 5 points 9 months ago

Bro just send him a letter covered in Anthrax or something like that.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 8 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

The aid blocking was announced by Mr Orban shortly after the EU leaders decided to open membership talks with Ukraine and Moldova and to grant candidate status to Georgia.

At a news briefing in the early hours of Friday, Mr Michel confirmed that all but one EU leaders had agreed on the aid package and wider budget proposals for the bloc - although Sweden still needed to consult its parliament.

Last week, President Zelensky's wife, Olena, warned in a BBC interview that Ukrainians were in "mortal danger" of being left to die if Western countries did not continue their financial support.

White House National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan welcomed the EU's "historic" move to open accession talks with Ukraine and Moldova, calling it a "crucial step toward fulfilling their Euro-Atlantic aspirations".

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz praised his fellow leaders for showing a "strong sign of support", adding that it was clear that both Ukraine and Moldova belonged to "the European family".

Earlier on Thursday, President Vladimir Putin mocked Ukraine and claimed Western support was running out: "Excuse my vulgarity, but everything is being brought in as a freebie.

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[-] daft61lunacy@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Such a punchable face.

[-] TheTimeKnife@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Orban is such a collassal jackass

[+] DieguiTux8623@feddit.it -33 points 9 months ago

Just an excuse for the EU member state leaders who could send help individually by country and are failing to do so.

[+] fugacity@kbin.social -22 points 9 months ago

As an American, growing up I used to think so highly of Europe and their better socialist policies (I even wanted to move there), but honestly their spinelessness when dealing with dictatorships has really disillusioned me. Say what you will about the US military-industrial complex, or even how capricious our current aid situation is with Ukraine, but even when our international policy is clearly wrong or misguided, I do think we move forward with real conviction unlike Europe...

[-] NOSin@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

Oh yeah, with Trump and all for the past few years, that was a real show of "moving forward" and it was nothing like a "dictatorship" even.

The amount of irony in your comment is off the chart, you need a self check.

[+] fugacity@kbin.social -9 points 9 months ago

Call me delusional, but despite electing an agent of Russia the previous election cycle, I think the US still managed to give more aid to Ukraine when they needed it. Don't tell me that the EU pledged more aid than the US has after the fact. If the US didn't put its foot forward in the first place I have a real hard time believing the EU would have done anything. And yeah, maybe we shouldn't be giving Isreal weapons to bomb the living shit out of Palestinian civilians. And Europe is entirely right when they call us out on it. But since when is Europe willing to accept refugees from Palestine? Their words don't mean much to me. It's always posturing and NIMBY and hoping someone else does it while acting superior.

For the record, the fact that Trump didn't overthrow the government means that it's not a dictatorship - need I remind you that Trump was 3 years ago? And anyways, despite how horrible of a person and leader Trump is, he somehow still had better foreign policy regarding China than Europe did.

If China invades Taiwan, what will Europe do? I have a hard time they'll do anything but thank the heavens they had TSMC build a fab in Europe while conveniently waiting to see what happens: if Japan and the US are able to help Taiwan hold, they'll open the floodgates, but otherwise they'll turn the other way.

Yeah, moving forward might be the wrong way to put it. But I'm not impressed at all with bystanders that point fingers at people going the wrong way when they're at least trying. And if the world wants to literally put their money where their mouth is, maybe they should be adopting the Euro instead of the US Dollar as their world reserve currency (why, if other countries hate our capitalism so much, are they so willing to eat our shit when we print money on their dime?)

[-] NOSin@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

The number of "but" in that whole thing should clue you in as to some of your cognitive dissonance. A lot of things you talked about as such aren't mutually exclusive.

I'll let you dream, ain't no way I'm wasting my time with what will be a failed conversation here.

Have a nice day.

[-] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml 9 points 9 months ago

The EU has neoliberalism written into its constitution. It's not socialist, at most a few member nations have some social democracy. Though even that has been shrinking and replaced by privitization and austerity.

[-] fugacity@kbin.social -3 points 9 months ago

Forgive my previous imprecise language, but isn't this merely a matter of semantics? I was under the impression that the major countries in Europe are socialist (or if you prefer, social democracies, hence what I meant but European "socialism"), and they drive policy in the EU. But as the top comment said, they have agency to do things on their own behalfs.

[-] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago

All the EU member states are capitalists, no exception. Socialism is an entirely different economic system. The major countries are actually the more conservative, France and Germany. The most social democratic (which is still capitalism) are the Scandinavian countries, though their welfare systems are a shell of what they were 30 years ago.

[-] fugacity@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago

Hence my apology for the imprecise language. I meant what you said by social democracy, not a social economic system. Anyways, if we're being pedants, there are no true socialists or capitalists in today's markets. They're all mixed-market economies.

When I say socialist (and what is more accurately social democracy), I first think of healthcare, then I think of transit, then of education, and then of utilities. These are things that the US certainly could do better.

[-] ebikefolder@feddit.de 8 points 9 months ago

It's more important to move forward with conviction, even if the direction is clearly wrong? Well, that's why living in the US would be my worst nightmare. Is this funny mindest widespread?

[-] fugacity@kbin.social -1 points 9 months ago

If you move without conviction, then does it matter if you are right or wrong? You will never learn from your mistakes.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Also as an American: that’s not a thing to brag about. Sticking to your guns when it becomes evident that your strategy is not going to work is called “sunk cost fallacy”. It’s not good.

Edit:

To clarify, I wholeheartedly and enthusiastically support assisting Ukraine, and I wish our government shared that sentiment. I’m simply pointing out that the War on Terror was a HUGE demonstration of the sunk cost fallacy over the course of over 20 years. Similarly, unflinchingly supporting the Israeli government’s extremely hawkish handling of pretty much every aspect of how they interact with Palestinians is also an example of the sunk cost fallacy, and I’m starting to get really fucking concerned that it’s going to cost Biden the election in 2024, which would be bad for everyone all over the world in a myriad of fascinating and terrible ways… and also, very obviously extremely bad for Ukraine - I would actually not be surprised, if Trump manages to win, that he actually starts to throw in with Putin. Trump fucking hates Zelenskyy, because Zelenskyy refused to submit to Trump’s blackmail and didn’t help Trump’s continued attempts to fuck with our own electoral process.

Additionally, apologies for dragging in so many loosely related issues, but the truth of the matter is that American politics muddles all this crap up into a giant cesspool, and that’s what we have to deal with as citizens.

[-] fugacity@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago

I think the reason is important. If you stick to something because you think it is the right thing to do, that is conviction. If you stick to something because you think you must continue as you have already invested effort into, that is sunk cost. The point that I'm trying to make, that perhaps I have not worded well, is that you must act with conviction, because if you do not do what you think is right, you either not do anything, or do what you think is wrong. Sure, you may be wrong at the time, and you should be open to reflection, and not be prey to sunk cost.

But coming up with convenient excuses to avoid doing what you think is inconvenient but right is not how leaders behave.

And in this context (if that is what you mean), it is definitely not evident that supporting Ukraine is a strategy that won't work.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago

100% agree on the Ukraine front. Apologies - I’ve just been infuriated by the complete morass of congressional politics lately and it’s driving me to distraction at times

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