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Do you believe in accidental deaths via firearms? Or are all firearm deaths intentional?

The entirety of midwest real estate is critically undervalued for this exact reason.

When Biden was president he tried to broker a peace deal. He stated on live TV that he didn't condone Israel's methods. And he floated arms shipment cancellations to try to bring Netanyahu to the table.

Now, do I need to explain to you how those things are not the same?

"Although the end result was the exact same, one side feigned civility and decorum! How can you not see the difference?"

Yall need to drop this obsession with vibes, messaging, and optics.

So who would you vote for in my scenario?

Then I dont think we have much more to discuss. You would vote for a literal Holocaust.

So you dont have alarm bells going off in your head that you would willingly vote for a literal Holocaust?

so when you only have 2 choices to compare [...], you probably, maybe, want to go with the lesser evil

Suppose, in 10 years, your choice for president is between a democrat who openly expresses interest in murdering six million Jewish people, and a Republican who openly expresses interest in murdering seven million Jewish people.

Will you still be an unwavering Democrat?

get liberals to admit they would vote for a literal holocaust so long as the color is blue - with this one simple trick!

marching and throwing them out violently

This is literally the plan. And every day we delay is spitting in the face of Palestinians.

You keep characterizing revolutions as these historical impossiblities, but I'm not sure why. The idea that America cant have a revolution is American Exceptionalism.

The blueprints for this kind of work were eloquently described by Lenin.

If, in 20 years, the choice for president is between a democrat who is in openly interested in murdering 6 million jews, and a republican who is openly interested in murdering 7 million jews, will you still be an unwavering democrat?

Will you still be hemming and hawing about how doing things incrementally is the only path forward? Will you tell Jewish people that they have a duty to you, to vote for your preferred genocider? Will you continue to sacrifice marginalized people for this naive hope that a blue wave will come and quell fascism?

Or will you realize that your genocidal political system has lost legitimacy and must be dismantled?

Put another way, did Germans at the height of Hitler's power have a duty to vote for doomed social democrats, or did they have a duty to tear their government down?

It sure had hell beats standing still and letting some jackass drag you in the wrong direction. If you let that happen once, then you have to get back on your feet and starting waking in the right direction just to get back to where you were before.

Agreed! 100%! So then why do you put your all your poltical stock in the party that does this exact blunder every 4 years?

A painful vote for someone you know sucks, but is a step in the right direction is the right strategy.

Again, the only logical conclusion to this "pragmatic" utilitarianism is reaching a point where you're talking yourself into voting for dem candidate Ted Cruz as he runs against mecha Hitler. This philosophy is incompatible with being against genocide.

If Trump were a democrat, blueMAGA would be chiding leftists for not voting for him. If, in 20 years, the choice for president is between a democrat who wants to kill 6 million jews, and a republican who wants to kill 10 million jews, will you still be militantly democrat?

The dems, who without a doubt are terrible, at least showed that they will eventually listen to their voters when they swapped out biden’s carcass.

Is this really a point in your favor? How was that debacle anything other than a perfect illustration of how democrats will feign powerlessness, and then adjust course too late? If anything, the democrats can be characterized as too little, too late. They are dooming us to a fascist descent, and we have to make our own party.

200 NGOs Oppose Biden’s Historic Expansion of ICE Detention System: "Detention should not be about politics."

ICE records show Biden admin plans could give Trump a head start on deportations

President Biden Signs Anti-Immigrant Spending Bill Reaching Trump-Era Highs

Biden’s Emergency Funding Proposal Seeks $14 Billion for Immigration System From Congress

Tom Homan - Border Czar was originally appointed by Obama

Keep in mind, these democrat moves to bolster ICE were happening while the right was blatantly telegraphing their moves to immediately weaponize ICE once they took power. Project 2025 came out and promised to use ICE to plunder and abuse Americans. Biden and team then spent the next 4 years not only failing to prepare for Trump, but preemptively strengthening the mechanisms Trump would eventually use to carry out project 2025. The democrats are controlled opposition.

Sure, maybe we wouldnt be seeing this intense of immigration enforcement if Kamala were in charge, but if she were, she'd be working behind the scenes to ensure the right had all the tools they needed when the time was right.

The democrats are controlled opposition and the American electoral system is kabuki theater. The fascist descent is the only logical conclusion to the American political experiment- which was predicated on the wholesale genocide of Native American Indians and quickly pivoted to enslaving an entire continent.

The only logical conclusion to this "pragmatic liberal utilitarianism" is a situation where liberals are chiding leftists for not voting for dem candidate Ted Cruz as he campaigns against republican candidate Mecha Hitler. Liberals will still see nothing wrong with that. They will sell out the victims of American Imperialism to buy themselves 4 more years of political waffling - just as they did with Palestinians.