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I don't desire to look like a child ate a whole pack of crayon and then threw up on me?

Me too lad

It's actually a Ginster like the pie

Lmao dodging the whole entire comment this time. Then accusing me of the one being in denial.

I think it's pretty obvious you know you're a massive hypocrite and are just projecting to try and desperately convince yourself you "won" another internet argument.

You have my deepest pity mate.

I did read it, hence why I pointed out it's not actually a study on the effect of cats in the UK. But on conservation law and they extrapolate data from other countries.

Maybe you should read it since it's pretty clear you just googled the data you wanted to find and copied the first link on Google.

Cool, they still shit in your garden if they don't get canned food. Which was the point you were whining about in your last comment.

If you're so interested in protecting biodiversity, why do you (presumably) live in a house with windows? As many places will tell you Windows kill massive amounts of birds each year, comparable to that of cats. But again, as I've said before but you keep not addressing (because you know it shows you're a hypocrite) you don't actually give a shit about any of this, you're just looking for something to argue about and be smug about how morally superior you are, as this entire conversation chain and your smarmy attitude demonstrates.

And yes, like I mentioned previously some amount of hunting can actually be beneficial to animal populations as food and other resources aren't being used up by unfit or unhealy members of the species that won't make it to the next breeding season regardless.

And there you go dodging again because I've shown how foolish your logic is when applied to something you like. Even if we say the magnitude is worse, they are still comparable. Either you are logically consistent and you think people shouldn't take their dogs on walks, or you're a hypocrite just trying to argue with strangers on the internet to feel better about yourself.

Lol, lmao even. Letting my cat outside is "committing an act of violence"? Do you not read this shite as you're writing it and hear how utterly silly you sound? This is peak old bloke with too much time on his hand whining on the local Facebook group type energy.

Lol proper 14 year Redditor trying to act smug to rage bait shit. Honestly a little impressive how youre able to combine these two wildly different kinds of pathetic.

But hey, sure if it makes you feel better, then I'm actually super mad! You really got undr my skin and pissed me off 😠😠😠

The BES article you linked is more about conservation law than actual impacts and the studies it uses as example are primarily from places like north America and Australia where cats are invasive.

In places like the UK cats have been here for literally thousands of years and used to be far more independent and reliant on hunting, so any damage they would have done to our ecosystem would have been done a thousand years ago.

They mostly are self sustaining, which is why TNR is so important.

And so do foxes and birds and rats and voles and every other kind of animal that passes through your garden.

And I really want you to take a moment to appreciate you just come straight from arguing that outdoor cats are bad because they kill animals to talking about killing animals yourself. Once again, you're a hypocrite and you don't actually care about these animals you're simply looking for an excuse to hate other people and feel morally superior to them.

Cool and I was attacked by a dog that came off its lead as a kid. But if I tried to tell you that people shouldn't take there dogs for a walk, even on a lead and you were a selfish person that doesn't give a shit about other people because you take your dog on walks, you would just (rightly) think I'm crazy.

Yes I do, I worry about him getting injured or doing something stupid, but it's the same with kids, but we still let them play outside, because keeping them inside their entire lives would be incredibly cruel.

Nah I'm good. I'm not the one making threats of violence over the internet. Also you literally started this with petty name calling, so it's pretty rich of you to start clutching your pearls now lil guy.

Pet cats hunt a tiny fraction of what feral cats (and other animals that rely on hunting) do, precisely because they don't need to hunt to survive. Even then, statistically the vast majority of animals they do manage to hunt are injured/ill/incompetive and unlikely to make it to the next breeding system even if they weren't hunted, which can actually be beneficial to local ecosystems and animal populations as those animals won't take up resources from members of the species that are likely to make it to breed.

This is backed by evidence of pet cats ownership increasing while simultaneously the populations of their most preyed upon species are actually increasing too.

The only real danger cats pose to local ecosystems is feral cats, which is (one of) the reason I'm an active part of a local trap, neuter, release program where I've helped neuter dozens of cats, so I've done way more to help the issue than I would be depriving my cat of going outside, and likely more than you've done.

Plus windows kill as many birds as cats, both domestic and feral do, but I'm willing to bet you live in a building that has windows right? For the sake of your own quality of life, so are you not being as selfish as you accuse me of being???

But I'm guessing by your, Franky borderline psychotic response, that you will barely even read anything I've said, disregard it entirely and double down on being houlier-than-thou and threatening a random person on the internet. Because that's how these things always gom

Even if that was true, and it's not. Windows kill as many birds as cats do. Do you like in a house without windows? No? Well then you're genociding local bird populations too.

Cats are an invasive species and kill over 15 billion birds and small mammals per year

Places exist outside of the USA, just fyi.

Thank you. I knew my comment would piss off the smug holier-than-thou types that don't even realise there exists a world outside of North America 😊

Almost like it's in their nature to explore and naturally have territories of up to 10 acres and so are not best suited to being strictly indoor pets

I'm sorry is this a monosexual joke that I'm too Bi-NB to understand?