theneverfox

Well if that's the case I'd obviously change my opinion

Got some sauce for me?

You mean the strangely recognized new state is rolling over and showing their belly to capitol?

Of course they are. They bought recognition from Trump, months after a revolution. Of course they're not taking stands, they've gotten legitimacy despite their very tenuous status. Not to mention, they've taken a hard stand against Russia... They kind of have to play ball

And what I've heard they've been very reasonable to the citizens and trying to make this a smooth transition. I don't blame them for doing what they have to do... It would be really, really stupid not to

I think you're kind of comparing apples to oranges, we're pretty fucked over here right now

I'd call him a progressive. He has socialist ideals, but he's operating as a populist - he can't get out there and say "we're going to do free healthcare" because we're not there right now

It seems to me that he'll be as left-wing as the moment allows, but what he's actually pushing for is pretty tame IMO

They also need clearance, they're supposed to have like 15' free above them and a couple feet on each side

Capitalism isn't the same thing as free trade, we're talking about literal individual markets. It could be a free market, the lord could be involved with workshops and give them exclusive rights, it could be a guild system, or he might just let the people do whatever

As for the means of production in the service industry... It's the building, the fryers, the computers, the agreements with suppliers or customers... some of these things are more abstract, but if you swap out the people, anything that's still there

Keep in mind, supply chains were pretty simple back then. You didn't make shovels, you have a local blacksmith who takes in iron and makes what you ask for. But everything is done at the prerogative of the lord, if he decides you need to make something you do it, if he decides you're overcharging he can set your prices, maybe you get ordered to take on apprentices

Think of the town as another resource - the lord gets more taxes the better the local economy is, but can also meddle in it however they like

Does the smith own the smithy? Kind of, but you could also say the smithy kinda owns the smith and the town owns the smithy and lord owns the town

You first. We're not on board with any of this

Sorry, I don't think I understand what you're trying to say

If you want free markets without capitalism - this literally existed

What are the means of production? Machines that weave thread into cloth. Machines that weave cotton fibers into thread. The land that grows the cotton. The people that harvest the cotton. The land itself

The was something that money could not buy, until it could. That's the line

Pretty much. I love technology, but honestly I'd be happier and healthier in a forest

Well, NYC has way too many policemen. Maybe they can turn that on the feds

You mean walks like a goose

To address your first point, you go into the bazaar, and you buy a shirt vs another shirt. The lord owns the cotton fields, they both come from the same place but have different prices and different quality/traits - that's a free market. The raw materials belong to the lord, but what you do with it is up to the artisan

You're trying to cut the difference between raw materials and value added - that's the murky difference between mercantilism and capitalism

Remember, there was an age where shipping iron to a town was how farmers got tools - mercantilism is about raw materials in and out, once things get complicated it doesn't make sense

Right? It just doesn't even require explanation. People know what you're talking about immediately

It's a concept we all know missing a word, and people just get it instantly. I've had to repeat it slowly, but everyone gets it