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Yes, I have the infrastructure setup. Shits got like 3 backups including a very hard offline 12 TB backup WD blue drive that's absolutely purely for being nothing but backups for this server

It's my understanding that if we know of it in this world and deny it then that's the choice we make, correct? If so, and if all other religions claim the same veracity with the same level of proof/evidence, what makes it different than a guessing game?

It's the assumption / pretense that there's a single right. And that, you can ask of God to find out. It's also under the assumption that again God is a God of mercy and won't judge you for what you didn't know. Cause if he's a perfect being, there must also be a perfect fairness in all he does as well.

Though it's a very genuine concern / question to have for sure!

And that's a fair question. I'm also considering renting a VPS for this, so shouldn't be too bad on the infrastructure part. And it'd mostly be a few buddies and myself using this.

Even if it doesn't work out for me, hopefully this thread can be informative for others as well :)

It's not really a guessing game, it's a there's his gospel, we follow his gospel and we're rewarded, which he will ensure everyone has an opportunity to, or they can choose otherwise and receive the level of reward they so desire. No one's going to force somebody to live in a specific way; That's against the point.

And God is good because he gives us a choice. Choice means we can become our own individuals, make our own mistakes, learn, and grow. Which to us is the fundamental answer to the purpose of this life. (Buddhism "Life is Suffering") Otherwise, what's the point of it all? We'd be hollow machines, always living in a good but un-understanding state of being with no opportunities to grow and move forward.

Also, thanks for the excellent questions! I love having friendly discussions with other people who believe differently. It really opens up my perspective. Hell, I served an LDS mission in Seattle Washington. If there's one thing I cherish, it's my conversations with those of other faiths and learning more about their perspectives.

So, A LOT of LDS and even other faiths make this mistake about our beliefs.

Yes, we do believe in "Kingdoms of Glory" just as we believe in God having a law, commandments, etc. That being said, the LDS faith is at its core, quite different from other faiths in that we don't believe in your classical "Hell fire and damnation"

Just to clarify this for any other Christian denominations, aside from our other teaching's where a lot of this comes from is this:

John 14:2:

In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

1st Corinthians 41:

There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

With that all being said. The biggest misconception and frankly appalling misunderstanding anyone makes in this, is that one person is valued less than another.

Our firm faith is that, by living the precepts of God you can make it to the celestial kingdom, IE. The highest degree of glory, but that that's only provided through the Atonement of Jesus Christ ie. It's not our works that "buy our way into heaven" it's entirely through Christ and his Atonement.

That is paramount.

Second. We don't believe God has a "cool kids list" or a list of rules you had to follow, and if you didn't. Lol sucks to be you.

We believe that God judges based on the person and their intentions, not solely by their actions. IE. It's not black and white. Otherwise, how could the Atonement claim to be all-encompassing?

Kingdoms of Glory then becomes a choice we can make to get to. Like in my other comment. Some people will prefer pepperoni, some supreme, some pineapple.

But all will be happy and in a heavenly state regardless. And no one person is left out of receiving the happoness they prefer.

Not so much "levels of heaven" in that anyone's values lesser than others. It's that God understands his children, he understands we're all different. I like a plain pepperoni pizza. Some people like supreme pizza, some people God forbid like pineapple on their pizza.

He's not going to force one person or another into this route definition of "heaven" because supreme pizza may not be heaven, nor plain pepperoni or pineapple.

Sorry if that analogy doesn't make sense.

So, for the sake of this post isn't "I'm trying to convert you to my religion" I'm going to try and summarize our points of belief while more or less answering your question, and I'm not doing it out of a debate, but merely to answer you :)

It's not really "we think we're lucky or better than anyone else" hell we actually believe that God is a God of fairness that doesn't value one person over another. Ie. "We are all his children and he loves us equally" is a core belief we hold. And as apart of that belief, we firmly hold it true that God will ensure that all his children who lived or died without hearing his gospel will have the opportunity too. That's point 1

Point 2. Yes you can most certainly have spiritual experiences outside of the LDS faith or any faith for that matter. We tend to refer to that as "The light of Christ" but for a summarized explanation. We basically summarize that as, a testimony of truth wherever it may be found God will bare witness of it.

And I also tend to lean towards a lot of Buddhist tenants myself btw. The concept of a state of being called Nirvana, that life is suffering (Though I know that's not exactly what he said) and a few other ideas they hold I agree with.

I'm LDS some people might call us Mormon.

The short of it is I asked God and I felt his presence. Not like any earthly feeling, more like the burning the bible / new testament describes.

But even without any of that I'd still have believed / known. I just, always have if that makes sense? I might've gone a different direction in my beliefs but I'd still have known he's there.

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