Isn't the whole Macs don't get viruses thing a myth by this point?

There are a lot more sources for random untrustworthy Windows software than there are for MacOS but that's on the user the same way keeping your OS up to date is.

Windows is shit, but the days where you have to do configuration if you don't use some obscure notebook in one of the most used linux distros is over. I'd say gnome e.g. is pretty close to macos UI wise. There is also Hackintosh if you can't live without it.

As for why I particularly hate apple:

• Bizarre pricing for comparably low tier Hardware (although not really comparable since apple makes their own ARM silicone)
• Bad repairability, including flimsy collabs to produce some overpriced block of metal just to change an jphone battery lol
• Walled garden / closed ecosystem. Blocking third party apps for users "security". All this green bubble / blue bubble bullshit.
• productivity and design wise alright machines, but utter trash when it comes to gaming.

There are surely more / other points to make.

They don't contribute code back to the community and make billions in profit to the detriment of furthering the human species with their concentration of wealth and minimal innovation (since Jobs died).

It's mainly the terrible anti-consumer decisions of Apple that everyone dunks on, such as lack of repairability, lack of consumer choice, charging a fortune to change a single $1 chip, and being unable to run programs downloaded from anywhere but the app store.

You can't upgrade ram or a hard drive. If you sell me a computer, charge $100 per 4 gigs of base speed ram, even more for storage, than have the audacity to tell me I can't upgrade it myself, you can fuck right off.

Several reasons:

1. Almost all of their products target the high end market (and even then, they are known to make stupid decisions to cut off high end use cases).
2. OSX tends to be opinionated on certain settings and it is hard (or impossible) to change them.
3. Many of the built in software only work if you exclusively use Apple products.
4. Apple simps.

Every time I offer similar views the responses I get are somewhere along the lines of

But you can run Linux on windows! You can install most of the same tools on windows Just run everything in docker anyway

I’ve been coding most of my life. Usually people don’t understand just how sucky the tool chains are on windows when you step into certain dev work.

If I ever have to setup multiple python virtual envs again I’ll fucking just quit. Pipenv. Virtualenv. Poetry. Every fucking one on windows has been riddled with bugs

Because they're such a heavily walled garden.

It's great for my parents who know nothing about technology and computers. They just need to go online and check emails and social media.

My dude, if you find you need to "babysit" Fedora or Ubuntu, I'm kind of doubting your tech literacy - i.e the basic level of tech literacy you need to operate macOS or Windows with.

And also, just because something is UNIX doesn't make it good. Shout outs to HPUX.

Also, Apple is tracking you on macOS and iOS, similarly to Google and Microsoft. They call it telemetry, but are you SURE they don't collect identifying information and canvas you?

I wish macOS was a well managed Unix system.

Sorry I want a well-managed UNIX system with a nice GUI while not coding?

Linux with KDE.

Sorry I want a well-managed UNIX system with a nice GUI

Does OSX still have that bug where if you merge two folders of the same name it deletes everything in one of them?

I don't care what anyone says. On a user level MacOS is by far the best ready to go experience. I love using Linux Mint and I wish I would use it full time to be free of corporate OS's. But that's not the case and Mac is well ahead in my eyes.

One doesn't "get privacy", privacy can't be bolted on. One starts with full privacy and then begins losing it to bad decisions, like choosing an inauditable OS that phones home and everything.

I’m with you, it’s just Cool to hate on Apple or whatever.

I am literally forced to use Apple at work. I can life with an iPhone, because I use it just for its intended, dumped down usage and I overcame the annoyance about Apples fascism (alternative web engine). If you are not able to automate 100% of your setup on a proper UNIX machine, please do the programming community a favor and switch your line of work. Apple is such a shit show: no keyboard driven workflow w/o extensive customization, how the fuck can I automate 100% of the the setup/customization, why the fuck do I have to upgrade every fucking single program interactively with a click, why are the package managers homebrew and macports as shitshow like Linux 25 years ago, why is macOS so bloated and fucking slow on a machine, why is the development experience for mac worse than Visual Studio 6 (!), Finder is such a sad joke compared to file managers on every other OS or DE, why can I not easily enable transparent file compression when I am a grown up user etc etc etc. Seriously, macOS is nice for consumers with too much money. The literally only thing macOS does which I envy is the tag system which works. Don't get me wrong, Linux is also a shit show, but compared to macOS it is like the best thing ever.

macOS is fine, for now, but with the direction Apple is going right now with all the spyware they're putting on iOS, I'd rather start using something else than get caught off guard when they start doing the same with macOS. I still have a MacBook, but I've long since switched to using Linux as my main system, so when the day comes and Apple decides to install spyware on macOS, I can ditch it in a heartbeat without shedding a single tear. Also, I'm not a big fan of the lack of options and customisability on macOS. I get that it's meant to help non-tech-savvy people so that they don't break their system, but at least make a toggle that's lets you turn all of that off for those who knows what they're doing.

Lastly, Linux distros like Fedora or Mint is very easy to use, and at least in my opinion, entirely negates the argument that "Linux is hard". It's only as difficult as you want it to be. The only major roadblock is support for common proprietary apps, and while I don't usually use them, I've heard that they've become far better recently. As a cherry on top, it's lighter and, best of all, has no spyware.

@railsdev @idk837384 It's the price, right? People shit on it for its price. You didn't mention price once! Lol

Because they're such a heavily walled garden.

It's great for my parents who know nothing about technology and computers. They just need to go online and check emails and social media.

You’ve forgotten an important point: the price gap between apple and windows machines has closed significantly. A similarly-performing windows machine is now a similar price, if not more expensive, than the equivalent mac.

From my experience with people that are very pro Android vs the pro iOS crowd, it’s just that they’re trying to justify their own choice by uplifting the OS they chose and sometimes tend to focus only on the negatives of the other OS. The same can be said for the various desktop OS crowds.

I’ve used both Android and iOS, as well as Windows and MacOS (and intend to try Linux at some point) over the years and I never thought one was generally better than the other. All these OSs have different target users and that’s ok. Just because you’re not the target user for OS A, doesn’t mean that OS B is objectively the best OS for everyone. It’s just the best OS for you. And why people feel the need to bash other people’s choices or even make fun of them for it is beyond me.