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Such a great idea to make an international organisation for diplomacy where the nations that are already dominant also have complete power to stop anything they don't like.
Surely this is a credible institution and not just a respectable veil over imperialism.
That's right just sit there and frown at the guy vetoing instead of doing your duty to humanity and punching him in the face.
You think those countries would have joined without those powers?
No. What's your point?
In a world with an egalitarian UN, but no great powers in it, everyone is just going to pay attention to what the great powers are off doing on their own. Nobody would care what the UN is doing.
Almost like the entire concept of peaceful diplomacy with global superpowers is foundationally flawed, which is my point.
That's no excuse to give the big players absolute veto power. They could have limited it only to some specific matters where the fact they are big players (and not obstacles) actually matters.
if there are 192 people at a table and 1 Nazi you have 193 Nazis
It's so funny to me that you guys turn to violence so quickly to get what you want, like you start talking like you care about things being fair but literally can't help but show your true colors 'Anyone who doesn't do what I want should be beaten!'
You love imperialism, you just think you should be in charge of it lol
"you guys" meaning who exactly? Anarchists aren't known for their love of imperialism.
And what, a punch is imperialism now? You really just want anyone that disagrees with you to be a nazi or something, don't you? Or I guess you assumed I was a tankie, didn't you? Some words are just doomed once liberals get a hold of them.
I guarantee you if someone punched that guy in his stupid fucking face mid-veto it would be front page news and it would influence public opinion, and at the very least that person could tell their grandkids, "I didn't just sit there frowning and doing nothing while thousands were condemned to death and suffering." It would also delegitimise the UN quite a lot, which I think would be a good thing. But it's not going to happen because anybody there is well-paid and has a prestigious position, which is one of the ways an institution like that maintains its appearance of legitimacy.
EDIT: Oh, and anyone that doesn't "do what I want"? You think there are two sides to whether Palestine needs support and recognition in the midst of an ongoing genocide? This isn't a difficult moral calculation.
Every international organization alike, is there to perpetuate US/Europe imperialism.
Hey now, there exist international organizations to perpetuate Russian and Chinese imperialism too! Except the Russian ones are always dysfunctional as fuck and never actually work out.
And the Chinese ones almost always work exclusively on economic Swords of Damocles.
That doesn't really distinguish them from the US ones that have historically relied on the IMF and the World Bank.