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submitted 8 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

Maryam Alwan figured the worst was over after New York City police in riot gear arrested her and other protesters on the Columbia University campus, loaded them onto buses and held them in custody for hours.

But the next evening, the college junior received an email from the university. Alwan and other students were being suspended after their arrests at the “ Gaza Solidarity Encampment,” a tactic colleges across the country have deployed to calm growing campus protests against the Israel-Hamas war.

The students’ plight has become a central part of protests, with students and a growing number of faculty demanding their amnesty. At issue is whether universities and law enforcement will clear the charges and withhold other consequences, or whether the suspensions and legal records will follow students into their adult lives.

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[-] TechNerdWizard42@lemmy.world 73 points 8 months ago

That's correct, you do not. Like ALL "rights" in the USA, there is another law waiting in the shadows that completely contradicts it or makes it so that it's not possible without it being illegal.

You can protest. But only with permits on public and private land, without trespassing, obeying all police orders even if those are themselves illegal, blah blah blah.

The sooner Americans realize all their freedoms do not exist in reality the sooner something can be done to fix it.

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 28 points 8 months ago

A protest with a permit is just a parade

[-] PhAzE@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago

What happens if the permit request is denied? Does one sue them for infringement on their rights?

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 3 points 8 months ago

You protest anyway and embrace civil disobedience.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Too many people worship the law as if it was the word of god. They don’t realize we are actually making this shit up as we go, and the laws can be changed at any moment.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants"

Thomas “I fucked Sally Hemings” Jefferson

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The first amendment has absolutely no references to permits. In fact it explicitly says you absolutely do not need anything, and that protests are legally protected free speech.

You may protest all you want on public or federal land. I know. I routinely tell cops to "fuck off," because I know where I happen to be standing. I have yet to be arrested for a protest that I attended, and I have never even attempted to get a permit.

Privately owned property is the only place they can summarily arrest you, and that's just a trespassing charge.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Technically yes. In reality? Lmao. We've seen our first amendment right be abrogated time and again in the last 8 years.

[-] btaf45@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

You may protest all you want on public or federal land.

Not in restricted areas like a military base or halls of congress.

[-] TechNerdWizard42@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

Yeah keep reading. You're given one fake right and there are 100 other laws. Just because you're the right shade, telling a cop to F off, is a crime in itself even if they're completely wrong. Most people would be arrested just for that.

And that is the entire point. If "the law" is completely discretionary based on the encounter you have with the enforcers and the punishers (police, DA, judges, etc), then you have no rights. Step out of line and you're in prison.

The US is a shithole.

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