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Greenpeace: we should save the planet!
Me: great, let's build nuclear power so we can shut down fossile fuels
Greenpeace: ....No
Too late. Somewhere so sunny can get a lot of solor quickly. Building nuclear power plants takes time and releases a lot of CO2. Batteries and solor now now. Cheapest power too.
Only too late because Greenpeace stopped it for decades. Hope you have a plan for your solar waste. Cheapest because you just let China throw it away for you.
Cheapest because the fuel is for free. Waste plan should be recycling.
Go ahead and show me your solar recycling plant. I want to see it. Must have a carbon footprint lower than nuclear or you lose.
It's a new area, but there are companies : https://www.recyclesolar.co.uk/
Life cycle comparing isn't as simple as your thinking: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0301421506002758 Happy to look if you have a unbiased source for life cycle emissions comparison.
But costs and time is a no brainer: https://www.energysage.com/about-clean-energy/nuclear-energy/solar-vs-nuclear/
You as also don't want to be burning coal for a decade while you build a nuclear power plant. Then it's expensive to run compared to solar too. The CO2 costs of waiting for nuclear should be included for nuclear too.
I know it's a new area. I am involved with it. Now show me the one that has a lower carbon footprint today. Including batteries btw no cheating
That's part of the issue with nuclear, it's not today. It's a decade to do, power coal in the mean time, pouring concrete which also cause a load of CO2. When it's finally running, it's clean, but expensive. In the mean time you could have solar running 8 years and it is cheaper to power and install. Nuclear is going to struggle to compete. Until fusion, but even that, if it ever comes, might not be cheap enough compared. Cheap, fast and clean wins.
Thanks for admitting you have nothing with a lower carbon footprint today. It was very big of you.
As I said, if you want to start today, solar is without doubt the way to go. If you are dealing in decades, and much more money, nuclear becomes an option. But in the time building it, you're poluting and it's not clear it's even cleaner long run discounting that, let alone including it.
As a bonus, solar is safer too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_power_accidents_by_country
So nuclear just isn't the choice to make in 2024.
God victory is so sweet.
Those nuclear power plants won't come online for a decade at least. It's better to spend the money on renewables and storage.
And if we started building them a decade ago we would have them now. We need to start building them now, because it's only gonna be worse in 10 years.
By then it will be too late, especially considering the extra CO2 that building them will create with no electricity provided at all
That is hilariously naive. The world is gonna keep turning either way. People aren't just gonna suddenly all up and disappear. And the climate isn't like a thing where you reach a certain point and you just give up. We can lessen how bad things will be. Making nuclear now is the right choice, so that in 10 years we can cut as many polluting forms of energy as we can.
I'd rather spend $10 billion on renewables that would start coming online almost immediately than lock that money up in a plant that won't start recouping the carbon debt from its construction in a decade.
Renewables don't work and produce too much waste.
Yet another reason to invest most resources into nuclear worldwide.
Greenpeace advocated for this back in the 1970s and that's why we have an enormous wind and solar industry today. The Greenpeace lobby was just too damned powerful.
The reason we didn't build any reactors after the 1970s is a combination of nuclear disarmament and slow return on investment, not Greenpeace. If Greenpeace had that much power they would have been able to shut down the oil and gas industry, too.
Senator Greenpeace and President Sierra Club made Westinghouse bankrupt itself trying to build the Vogtle 3 and 4 reactors in Georgia.
Meanwhile nobody ask who is blazing a trail into the modern nuclear age
It's China! (Said like Trump saying China)
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nuclear clowns are the least funny
Everything is a joke to you so no surprise that would be your standard.