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submitted 7 months ago by 7bicycles@hexbear.net to c/urbanism@hexbear.net

Odd sentence, ain't it, but also like half the reasoning why people keep buying ever bigger cars and trucks.

The other half is "some other schmuck thinking this will snuff me out", which, fair, but how do you not arrive at the conclusion the eternal arms race of weight and height with cars is like, super bad?

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[-] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 22 points 7 months ago

I say this a lot but I genuinely think personal vehicles are too much responsibility for people en masse.

nerd : a bicycle is an individual vehicle

But otherwise, yes.

I don’t think anyone would design society in this way intentionally if giving the choice

Disagree'd here due to carbrain as an effect of having done it too long

[-] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 17 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

phoenix-objection-1 phoenix-objection-2 I meant personal automobiles. Bicycles aren’t anywhere near as dangerous so I thought it kinda went without saying but I understand why you might think of them lol

And when I said “anyone” I meant like, absent the influence of cars. Like if we took a person and presented them societies with different organizations of travel, weighing their costs, efficiencies, threat to life, etc, I don’t think anyone who didn’t grow up in this culture would pick this shit on an objective basis. Which is why I said “we’re just used to it.”

[-] ped_xing@hexbear.net 13 points 7 months ago

The problem is that nobody's making an informed, apples-to-apples choice when it comes to cars or transit. People like the drive anywhere, anytime access they get when they spend five figures a year on their cars. They wouldn't trade it for the transit where they live because the transit where they live sucks. They wouldn't trade it for NYC transit because even that is full of suck (bad connectivity outside of Manhattan and filthy-ass stations that are going to feel like saunas in a few weeks if not right now). Thing is, MTA's budget is $19B and even if you restrict it to NYC proper, serves 8M people. That's under $2500 per person. As such, the proper comparison should be either:

Whatever godawful clunker you can get off craigslist and somehow keep running for $2500 a year versus MTA levels of service

OR

Current car versus what MTA could do with a quintupled budget -- Manhattan levels of service in all boroughs with clean, cool stations and rental car reimbursement for when people need to go somewhere backwards.

[-] CyberSyndicalist@hexbear.net 2 points 7 months ago

a bicycle is an individual vehicle

unironically a good way of thinking about it

A bicycle is an appropriately individual vehicle in that is a 1 Human power vehicle to carry 1 human rather than 100 horsepower vehicle to carry uh 1 human

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