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Yes in the sense that all communist countries are state capitalism, no in the sense that it betrays the very ideology of communism.
If you think about it it's very much the same structure as a big business, with the "boss" at the very top, the party being the shareholders and executives swallowing all the profits and at the bottom are all the workers getting the shaft.
The main differences with normal capitalism is that the state here has an army, police and a full monopoly, so the party can literally do whatever they want to whoever they want within China. They don't play by the rules, they write the rules, ie, a capitalist wet dream.
If every time comminism is tried, it turns into one specific bad thing, then wouldnt that mean that communism is inherently flawed?
Maybe ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I don't think so, no. If anything it shows it's difficult to achieve.
Ignoring whatever semantic arguments about socialism and communism, it's easier to just point out that statement isn't true.
Employee-owned businesses are socialist - in the actual definition of socialism where capital is owned by the workers. They work fine, maybe even better than capitalist businesses.
Fire departments are socialist - in a slightly different definition where a non-capital resource is owned by a community. They definitely work better than the capitalist versions that used to exist.
The problem with saying anything communist always fails is that they only call it communism when it fails. When it succeeds they just call it something else.
If every time someone is born, they die, then wouldn't that mean that life is inherently worthless?
True Communism has never been tried on a large scale. It's always authoritarians calling themselves Communist.
But yes, it is flawed in that humans are too tribal for it to work on a large scale.
Did you really just a "not true communism"?
I swear tankies are a meme.
I thought tankies are the ones who like the "not true communisms" of authoritarian countries. It seems to be becoming a general "person I disagree with" term nowadays. Do they usually say Communism is flawed?
Not necessarily, it could just mean that the vast majority of the time it would be legitimately implemented, a larger country that doesn't like communism spends a lot of time and money interfering with it
Russia and China are plenty big.
I wonder if there's a reason why I said "the vast majority" and "legitimately implemented"
Nah I'm sure I only picked those words because they sound nice
If you cant survive with the support of china behind you, your system is shit
In this very thread, like six parent comments up, it was already established that China is not communist
And I stated that state capitalism is communism by another name.
And I said you're wrong, because it's not. Let's just agree that you're wrong and stop wasting 1s and 0s