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Any thoughts on people that break into embassies to start fires?
What you are doing is the equivalent of pointing fingers and whimpering. This is not a schoolyard, so please refrain from arguing on that level. The people who stormed the embassy were obviously a violent mob of religious fanatics - I assumed that to be trivial and not necessary to mention because it should be obvious.
What I was doing with that question was trying to ascertain whether you were just making excuses for religious extremists or trying to add more to the conversation. Maybe ask clarifying questions before assuming I'm "schoolyard arguing."
I am happy to see that you agree that storming an embassy is bad. Seriously because it is NOT obvious by what I replied to.
I read a few of your replies and I think I understand your point of view better. I think just in general we should NOT act in a manner that would be considered offensive to another group just to be (for lack of a better work) a dick. The sad thing is, we already don't live in that world and this refugee that burned the Quran might have been burning it as a "dick move" or maybe he was burning it because he has a very real and hurtful story of how he became a refugee from Iraq. People burn things (small idols, books, or letters) as ceremonies of release depending on where they are coming from or their culture.
I can tell you I am biased toward any religion trying to tell me how to act. If I want to burn every holy book that I buy/own then I should be able to. Pushing your beliefs on others is wrong. Me burning a book doesn't effect you unless you decide that it does. You forcing your religious laws on me does actually effect me even if I don't believe in your religion. What happens if I'm eating an unclean food infront of some extremist religious person? Do you think I'm trying to be offensive because I'm eating pork in public?
I'm not trying to schoolyard argue with you, but I think giving up some acts of freedom of speech to religious extremists is a bad path to follow. Appeasement doesn't work with extremists because they always push for more.
I don't think most Muslim are extremists. I do think many of these countries have parts of, if not all of their country run by extremists. That's why I think it's worth noting. We shouldn't push people to violent acts, but one could argue that the refugee himself was pushed to this "violent act" by the extremists in his home country.
its not obvious whether they agree that storming an embassy is bad because they didnt say anything about the matter
this does not sound like you think we should NOT act in a manner that would be considered offensive to another group just to be a dick
it sounds like making excuses, especially for someone complaining about folks making excuses
someone commenting that burning books to provoke violent outrage is vile falls under none of the above
we arent talking about eating unclean food in front of some extremist person, equating the two is disingenuous
uhuh
someone commenting that burning books to provoke violent outrage is vile falls under none of the above
the man in sweden was not pushed to burn a book because of the political climate in another country a continent away
I think there is a lot of misunderstanding in this. I will not try to explain everything, because I feel I'm not using the correct words to explain my thoughts.
I will reply to
I was mentioning this example in order to try to explain how appeasement doesn't work with extremists. If burning a book is so offensive that they have a call to arms then I am against them. I don't care what book. It's all paper.
Oh cool. I just assumed that the political climate of his country of origin had something to do with why he was a refugee, but I guess not?
I'm not familiar with all the details of why he was granted refugee status. I just agreed with him on principle. I'm not an edgelord, and I respect everyone's religion in practice. Which is why I am attempting to advocate for his personal creed. Religion is personal and I respect it until someone tries to push their religious laws on someone else.