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[-] hark@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

You didn't look at your own poll last time and you didn't look at it this time either. Here, let me point it out again, this time with a screenshot:

Oh, would you look at that, only right-wing conservatives and republicans edge out in favor of giving aid to israel's campaign of genocide. For some reason you think we should be catering to republican fascists. Are you sure you're not the one who is the fascist? You love using projection like they do and you insist that "most Americans" support fascist policies.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It's amazing that you post the screenshot and STILL don't read it correctly. Here, let me remind you of what you originally said:

If ending genocide was actually a choice on the ballot instead of two ghouls who both support genocide, I bet most would vote to end genocide.

Thinking most people would be against genocide is spreading misinformation?

But fascists aren't well-known for their stunning memory of what they said in the past ten minutes either, so that's not a surprise.

Of course, the fact that you explicitly advocate for voting for a genocide of American minorities makes this position, in context, utterly unsurprising.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

As I pointed out months ago, your poll is from february (older than my poll) and more people have been turning against israel as their campaign of genocide drags on. Even disregarding that, it's interesting that you're trying to paint a one percent difference between the favors and opposes as "majority of Americans", giving more importance to fascist opinion even though this is a difference within a margin of error and, again, this is a poll from february when israel has been losing support. You really shouldn't be lobbing accusations of others being fascist when you elevate fascist opinions like this.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I didn't realize "Your poll is older!" is a response to "Your poll literally doesn't say what you claim it does".

Even disregarding that, it’s interesting that you’re trying to paint a one percent difference between the favors and opposes as “majority of Americans”,

Funny, if you go back through our comments, the only person claiming that a majority of Americans would be voting for or against something is... you.

Huh. Weird. Almost like projection is one of the few tools you have.

But sure, 36% is a majority. Great math you have there. Like the math the Italian fascists used to 'make the trains run on time'.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/americans-split-continuing-military-aid-israel

PugJesus fighting hard to try to claim most people love genocide like he does.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/americans-split-continuing-military-aid-israel

"Your poll is from February!" he says, as he posts a poll from February. "Your poll is within the margin of error, just 1%!" he says, as posts a poll within the margin of error, literally just 1%. But hey, opting for no "Unsure" or "Neither" option really makes your 'majority support' of 48% 'more likely to vote for' (and notably not an actual policy position) that much more convincing.

lmao

Fascist hypocrisy is so predictable. More than their trains, that's for sure.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

The poll I posted is later in february, showing the trend away from supporting israel's campaign of genocide, so good job missing the point. Tell me more about how I'm supposedly the fascist even though you're trying so hard to elevate support for genocide. Tell us all why we must support genocide because republicans overwhelmingly favor it.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago

The poll I posted is later in february,

By four days.

Jesus, you really will grasp at anything, won't you?

[-] hark@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Says the one who first posted a poll from february so that you could claim that most Americans love genocide as much as you do. The reality is that:

  • Support for israel's campaign of genocide has fallen as more people see it for what it is.
  • The majority of supporters of genocide are republicans.

So tell me, what's your point? Because it looks like you're just trying your damnedest to elevate support for genocide. Not a good look.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago

Says the one who first posted a poll from february

What.

Your criticism was that the poll was 'too early', and you posted a poll from... four days later in response.

You aren't even trying, are you?

[-] hark@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

The first poll I posted is from march and showed a big difference with most people not approving of israel's campaign of genocide. You went and posted a poll from february with a 1% more in favor of israel in the total category. I posted a slightly later poll than yours showing a 1% difference with more not in favor of israel to show the trend. Hopefully this is laid out simply enough for you to understand, but it seems like you're trying your hardest to twist yourself into a pretzel so that you can elevate support for genocide.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago

The first poll I posted is from march

Literally you:

The poll I posted is later in february,

Your source:

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/reuters%20ipsos%20foreign%20affairs%20graphic%201%20jpeg%203.1.24.jpg

"February 26-28"

Are you allergic to the truth or something?

[-] hark@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

The FIRST poll I posted was this one: https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx

I wrote FIRST to differentiate for a reason. Are you allergic to reading or something?

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago

That poll, as already mentioned, does not address the issue you were talking about. You... you DO get how that's worse, right...?

[-] hark@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

"Majority in U.S. Now Disapprove of Israeli Action in Gaza"

Israeli action in Gaza is genocide.

Therefore majority in the US disapprove of genocide.

Seems pretty straightforward, right? But to PugJesus over here, this somehow doesn't mean that and instead means that a majority of Americans support genocide. How? Hard to tell, but PugJesus over here is fighting really hard to claim that most people love genocide for some reason.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Therefore majority in the US disapprove of genocide.

In the same way that Joe Biden disapproves of genocide, ie by shaking their finger but explicitly continuing to support aid for the genocide, you know, what you initially claimed they would vote against. Sorry that you think Joe Biden's position is anti-genocide, but I'm afraid I just can't agree with that. :)

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

If ending genocide was actually a choice on the ballot instead of two ghouls who both support genocide, I bet most would vote to end genocide.

Thinking most people would be against genocide is spreading misinformation?

No contradiction there. The former is a statement of well-documented fact and the latter is an incredulous reaction to your bizarre claim

Of course, the fact that you explicitly advocate for voting for a genocide of American minorities

The FUCK are you babbling about??

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The former is a statement of well-documented fact

You literally JUST admitted that most Americans would not be in favor of suspending aid to Israel.

Are you even trying?

The FUCK are you babbling about??

The fuck do you think a Trump victory is

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

You literally JUST admitted that most Americans would not be in favor of suspending aid to Israel.

Which is a separate question, especially to the ones who mistakenly think that Israel isn't to blame for the genocide or that they're not the only ones perpetuating it.

Are you even trying?

To get through your thick skull that some people have a favorable opinion of Israel in spite of being against their genocide? Yeah. That it's not working is entirely due to your seemingly willful resistance to simple logic.

The fuck do you think a Trump victory is

An unmitigated disaster. One that the person you were addressing didn't advocate for at any point of this conversation.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago

Which is a separate question, especially to the ones who mistakenly think that Israel isn’t to blame for the genocide or that they’re not the only ones perpetuating it.

Then how the ever-loving fuck is it a relevant question to the issue of Biden's policy of continuing aid?

To get through your thick skull that some people have a favorable opinion of Israel in spite of being against their genocide? Yeah. That it’s not working is entirely due to your seemingly willful resistance to simple logic.

So... people like, say... Joe Biden?

An unmitigated disaster. One that the person you were addressing didn’t advocate for at any point of this conversation.

Why don't you go ahead and ask them who they're voting for? I've had enough encounters with Hark to know their song and dance.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

some people have a favorable opinion of Israel in spite of being against their genocide

So... people like, say... Joe Biden?

No, not people who are active participants in the genocide who have vowed not to stop no matter what.

A civilian who still instinctively supports Israel in general can simultaneously oppose the genocide. It's misguided, but it's the case of many voters.

In contrast, a PRESIDENT who sometimes says "hey, please cool it, guys!" but also IS AN ACTIVE PARTICIPANT IN THE GENOCIDE WHO HAS VOWED NOT TO STOP can not in any way be said to be against the genocide that he's taking part in.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

No, not people who are active participants in the genocide who have vowed not to stop no matter what.

Just people who SUPPORT active participation in the genocide by sending aid and are determined not to stop regardless of the ongoing genocide. So literally the only difference is voting for this policy vs. carrying it out. Cool.

Let me put it this way - these people you're talking about, in the same position as Joe Biden, if they were suddenly appointed speaker and then Harris and Biden both resigned - what exactly would the difference considering their positions as stated by you to Biden's current approach?

If you can't understand that, then I can't help you.

Wait, wait, let me take a crack at it "They're still more moral than Biden because they aren't participating in the genocide YET, they just support the continuation of supporting the genocide as it is currently and would follow the exact same policy if they were given the power to decide our next course of action", as if that was a distinction with a difference in the context of a discussion of what people would vote for.

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