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Immigration is such a fucked up issue almost everywhere. You've got the right blaming everything on brown people and the left claiming all immigrants are just peace loving pacifists looking for a better life.
As with most issues the truth is in the middle and any immigration policy should absolutely demand that any immigrant coming into a country assimilate and fully support our values of equality for all.
You cannot tell me you support equality for all when your religion makes your wife walk 5 steps behind you in a beekeeper suit at 30c weather while you get to strut around in shorts and flip-flops.
First generation migrants tend to be, in most receiving countries, less likely to commit crime than native-born population.
http://www.antoniocasella.eu/nume/Bersani_2012.pdf
The problem comes with latter generations, if the receiving country isn't doing an adequate job at integrating them. If the parents work really long hours, aren't capable of spending much time with their kids, have trouble to pay kindergarten and have trouble teaching their kids the local language, if the kids are victimized by racist bullying at school, have less means to do well academically and land a good job, and are generally otherized by society, they're at a larger risk getting alienated and engaging in antisocial behavior and even crime.
So, if you don't want migration to be a problem, invest in public schooling (including kindergarten), offer classes teaching the local language to adults, empower unions, protect labor, and fight racism.
While the study has some value you cannot compare immigration from South America in US to immigration in Europe from North Africa and Middle East. People are people, but values, culture and religions are very different.
America is hardly a country of "equality for all" sadly
Edit: This was literally 4 posts down
This happened in Canada, what does the usa have to do with this? This same thing is playing out over in the EU as well, and everyone here is wondering how the right is gaining political growth...this is why. People inherently do not want groups that come over and violently force their beliefs on the population.
Agreed.
To me, though, there's a bigger problem with people already here who are violently forcing their beliefs o to others.
US has to do with everything, since facts don't matter, only outrage
Maybe if the first group of countries stopped their centuries old "tradition" of doing exactly that to the rest of the world (and on a scale no immigrant could ever imagine inflicting, even if they were so inclined), there wouldn't be so many people fleeing "developing" nations and war zones in the first place?
I mean, you're a racist xenophobe so I don't expect logic would mean much to you, you just want confirmation that brown Muslim people are violent by nature and that they've come over there to take your job and rape "your" women), but that doesn't change reality (which is that your job is at risk because of capitalists, and white men are by far the largest demographic of rapists and other criminals, despite our "justice" systems doing their darndest to over represent minorities in prisons) , nor the fact that almost all of the supposed problems our "developed" world countries have with immigration are at the very least 98% self inflicted and could be resolved if only our governments didn't treat, and brainwash the population to treat "foreigners" as their scapegoat.
You're being manipulated by the oldest trick in the book, the fact that you've taken the propaganda on so enthusiastically is something you should work out with yourself, rather than taking it out on the most convenient target those in power have marked for you.
Lol you have no clue who I am, blind I am not. Your ignorance to the subject is not something that gives you a pass. Islam is not a peaceful religion, they've been fighting in that part of the world way before even the US existed. Right now, in today's world it is the most violent of religions. It is oppressive to women and lgbtq+ persons and is a current stain on the world. Your whataboutsim does not negate these points.
Being far from perfect doesn't mean you have no values.
I agree, and it goes both ways. I was taking to a Mexican immigrant yesterday who hasn't been home to see his mother in more than 20 years as he doesn't have the ability to cross the border, and she has continuously been denied visas without explanation.
There's a lot of shit the US puts immigrants through as they walk on the edge of being allowed to exist here. My opinion is that we should both open our borders, and document the people who come through.
Plenty of born Canadians do not support these principles at all