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Iranian in UK flees to Israel after pulling off headscarves
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It's a reference to Redditors circlejerking about the same picture of an Iranian woman wearing a bikini in the 1960s. The rest of the country was not dressed like that at all but it makes for a good propaganda story about how the west liberated Iran by overthrowing their government.
For more information https://www.reddit.com/r/Izlam/comments/8tpg4l/imagine_thinking_you_understand_the_history_of_a/
And no Muslim that practices the faith will tell you wearing a Hijab is optional for Muslim women. It is not a contested opinion among any scholar either.
Cool, I wasn't doing that. I was explaining why she might be a Muslim and still be against them.
I look forward to seeing you tell all those millions of religious Turkish women who do not wear anything on their head that they are not Muslims. I hope you forward me their responses when you let them know you have decided what their religion is.
Edit: South Asian women too.
Even if they don't wear hijab, they'll acknowledge that it's obligatory and what they're doing is, in fact, haram. If you say hijab isn't obligatory without an excuse like not knowing the correct ruling you do, in fact, cease to be a Muslim according to Sunni Islam consensus.
Ah, you speak for these women do you? Are you even a woman yourself?
Your interpretation of Islam is not the only interpretation of Islam.
There is no scholar disputing this. Turkey is heavily secularized you might have heard of a guy called Atatürk.
If a woman doesn't want to wear a Hijab that's up to her. But you don't claim this is a contested subject among any Islamic scholars or part of Islam. It's stated extremely clear.
It is extremely clear based on your interpretation of Islam. Clearly not the case in South Asia or in Turkey. Let me guess- In Pakistan, the country with the largest Muslim population in the world, women are unIslamic.
This is some hardcore misogyny you have going on.
Uh... I think you're mixing up the concept of sinning and not being a Muslim. You can, in fact, be a Muslim while still committing sins. And again, almost no Muslim, scholar or not, considers hijab to be optional. It's just not a thing.
Yes, again, I realize that is what the interpretation that you two are pushing is. Your buddy there doesn't even known that Iranians aren't Arabs and is calling me a racist over it.
An Arab person or person living in an Islamic country is not by definition a Muslim.
Calling all Arabs Muslims is just racism.
You do know that Iranians aren't Arabs, right?
There's no mention of Hijabs in the Quran and "dress modestly" is very much relative. You also may or may not see Turks drinking plum wine but they're definitely drinking beer and most definitely Raki.
Yes alcohol is now halal too. Everything is halal if a Turkish person does it. That is what I have learned today.
As I said, there is no debate about this among scholars whatsoever. Every scholar except sheikh barsoap agrees that covering the hair is obligatory.
https://blog.hautehijab.com/post/10399809-ask-haute-hijab-is-hijab-really-mandatory-fard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab#Alternative_views
"Clear and decisive scholarly consensus" my ass. There might be if you're ignoring everyone who disagrees.
My bad I did not know about sheikh Karen. These Christian Europeans know so much more about Islam.
So you picked out one non-Muslim (a scholar of comparative religion) among the many Muslims, with doctorates in Islamic Law from Arab universities and everything, to dismiss all of it.
I tried not to but I have to start to doubt your intellectual honesty. Not towards me, I don't care, but towards yourself.
The first paragraph contained no reasoning. Only statements. The second with the supposed reasoning is written by Karen.
I read your link. You did not.
All three paragraphs are written by wikipedia authors summing up longer texts by various scholars. If you want to actually engage with the topic on a deeper level, read those scholars, not just the summary. It's all linked (those numbers in brackets). Ignore the Christian if you please, noone will blame you.
I already read your article my previous link already debunked everything in it.
You should consider reading and be intellectually honest instead.
There is, in fact, a clear mention of hijab in the Quran. More than one in fact.
I can’t believe I’m getting involved in this but then you can surely show where it’s mentioned clearly?
Surah al nur, verse 31.
It then explicitly assumes that they're wearing a headcover. The main debate around this verse and similar ones is whether the face and hands must be covered or not, and not whether everything else must be covered.
Aha and which translation did you choose?
Do you speak Arabic? More explicitly, to an extent that would allow you to understand the nuances in a verse like that?
I’m asking because I still don’t see any proof that it is clearly written anywhere.
I don't remember, but the Arabic word used means "head covering".
I'm a native speaker so yes.
طب وأنا عربي كمان بس ولا عمري رح احكيلك انو فاهم اشي من القران لانو لغة القران مش لغتنا وحتى العربي الي بدو يدرس الدين لازم سنة وهو بدرس عربي بس عشان عن جد يفهم وأنا مش فاهم عربي لهالدرج وإذا أنا مش شيخ مش عارف كيف انت بدك تفهم هيك منيح لتعمل فتوى للناس
أنا فاهم قصدك بس الموضوع برده مش صعب للدرجة. الآية بتقول خمار و كلمة خمار معناها غطاء الرأس في اللغة العربية مش محتاجة فتاوى. +أنا دورت قبل ما اتكلم فده كلام علماء مش كلامي.
If you follow the madhhab of YouTube and you rely too much on Sheikh Wikipedia, you may draw this conclusion but it’s really more nuanced than this and I thought we’re past this kind of radicalism where only one opinion is valid and everyone else goes to hell since ISIS got busted more or less.