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The state of US political discourse
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right... more like that first line is: Genocide bad so don't vote for democrats.
Many left voters agree genocide is bad, we can vote for Democrats while also protesting and reaching out to our reps to stop the genocide.
And the reps will ignore you because what are you going to do, not vote for them? You already telegraphed that you will vote for them anyways.
In the party database, you show up as: Last Name, First Name, likely voter, donor yes/no. Literally, this is how much they think about you.
PS I thought genocide was an unconscionable, intolerable crime that required your specific action to ensure it "never again" happens. Now it's just "bad", like high housing costs? Do you see how your own soul is distorted by this naive partisanship?
If they ignore you and you keep voting for them, what's their motivation to take you seriously? The only leverage the average voter has is their vote. If they know that they can count on your vote no matter what they do, then they don't have to listen to you.
You're right, we should vote for Trump who put the embassy in Israel and wants Israel to finish up the genocide quickly. 4d chess move, there can't be a genocide if the people are genocided quickly.
That's not how voting works, and it's exactly what republicans want you to think.
That's literally exactly how voting works. You can't put an asterisk on your vote. An exuberant, wholehearted vote counts exactly the same as one where you feel dirty for a week after.
That's like saying oh yeah my friend is a serial killer, but at least he doesn't beat his family. Besides, I will tell him how upset I am about all the murdering he's doing next time we go out for beers.
No offense, but that’s really goddamn stupid. Do you understand that voting is an exercise in constrained optimization.
The only thing that's really goddamn stupid is pretending that voting for genocide is somehow moral. No better illustration of the fact that liberals are utterly morally bankrupt.
"There's actual work to be done"
(He means there are still children alive in Gaza)
Why are you working to get Democrats elected? Are they paying you? What's the point?
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We have a choice between one person publicly calling for a ceasefire and another who says Israel needs to finish the job.
I'm not sure what you want us to do here.
Are you easily fooled by someone saying one thing while doing the opposite? don't you not care whether their actions align with their words or not?
So who should we vote for?
I’m going to either vote for Jill Stein or Claudia De la Cruz. Both are appealing for different reasons.
I want real options. Neither will have a positive affect in the election. If I vote for either of them, that's basically helping Trump. Who supports genocide. I'd rather support the people that say genocide is bad.
The Democrats deny that there is a genocide. They are engaging in it, not saying it is bad.
You're Right, I'll correct myself and say that at least Democrats aren't denying Israel is killing too many. So which do you prefer in office, Trump or Harris? Only either of them will win, so saying neither is the same as disengaging with politics.
If those are the only options, I'd rather disengage from politics.
it literally does not matter
Lol ok sure bud, Trump moving the embassy to Israel, and wanting Israel to hurry up with their genocide is the same as Kamala criticizing Israel.
Stop supporting genocide. Stop pretending you don't hear that.
I could attend every Free Palestine protest, boycott every Israel-affiliated company, volunteer at human-rights organizations, raise money for Palestinian relief, write a book about the genocide of the Palestinian people at the hands of Israel, and cast a vote for Harris rather than Trump, and you would still say I support genocide.
While doing what you would probably rather me do, all those things except not cast a vote at all, would be actively helping the opposition, who not only wants Israel to "finish the job," but also moved the American embassy to Jerusalem, officially recognized Israeli settlements one the West Bank as legal, and has said he wants to deport communists and Free Palestine protesters.
So at the end of the day, yeah I'm gonna vote for Harris. Am I happy with the Democratic party? Of fucking course not, but I don't really have a choice in the matter.
Any list that contains X contains X. You're giving material support to a political faction that's carrying out genocide. The political analogy isn't voting for Hindenburg, it's reelecting Hitler in 1944.
What I want you to do is recognize that there are no solutions within the existing political order and that is not an excuse.
Kamala did NOT call for a cease fire. She said for 3 weeks directly after it.
Their "ceasefire" is a lie. They just want a pause.
I want Kamala to call for an arms embargo on Israel if they refuse to negotiate a ceasefire.
They want us to magically fix all the problems overnight, while blaming us for everything in the meantime.
They want you to not vote or vote for a 3rd party. Don't y'all get that yet? It's about getting Trump reelected and bashing liberals in the guise of being leftist
Or you could "organize" or "educate yourself" or maybe "start a community" and like that'll fix everything
Don't forget you can do some random kind of "direct action" too.
Ah yes, the person publicly calling for ceasefire while sending the weapons needed to conduct genocide. What's more liberal than being unable to connect rhetoric to tangible action.
What lol? What a psychotic take
The psychotic take is saying, sure the party I'm going to vote for is committing crimes against humanity, but at least they're might be less repressive at home.
Oh you don't feel superior enough yet? Maybe you should be even more reductive. I think your throne might be too far up to see that us peons actually have to do something instead of just cry on the internet and then feel smug about it.
How dare you shame me for ignoring a genocide!
People voting for the party currently conducting a genocide are not in fact trying to do something about it. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
Reductive, useless lies that ignore nuance and reality. Why am I not surprised? Seems like you've shut down so you don't have to think too hard about the reality of your existence so I think we're done for the day. Enjoy your couch. I'm sure we'll talk again in a few months. Cheers!
What's actually reductive is telling people that the only option they have is to vote for one of the genocidal parties. Why am I not surprised? Seems like you’ve shut down so you don’t have to think too hard about the reality of your existence so I think we’re done for the day. Enjoy your couch. I’m sure we’ll talk again in a few months. Cheers!