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[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 55 points 2 months ago

She isn't so much making arguments from the left, but arguments from fantasy land. She thinks wifi is bad for kids brains and that we can stop using fossil fuels AND nuclear by 2030. Most of what she says simply had no basis in reality.

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 months ago

Are those the arguments you think that are siphoning off democratic voters?

[-] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Lots of people live in fantasy lands, not just the diehard Trumpers

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago

Sure. Even plenty of dem voters! But just to be clear, do you think that the WiFi issue or the genocide issue is costing democrats more potential votes?

[-] InternetUser2012@lemmy.today -3 points 2 months ago

The genocide that Israel is doing, or China?

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 months ago

Which one are US elected representatives actively supporting with US taxpayer dollars?

[-] InternetUser2012@lemmy.today -1 points 2 months ago

Are you talking about the ten year weapons contract that started in 2016?

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

The no fossil fuels by 2030 one definitely is. Mostly she is drawing both-siders who think (incorrectly) that both sides are just as bad as each other.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

No, but why would you trust the word of someone who makes those arguments?

If she thinks wifi may cause cancer, that we can totally phase out fossil fuels with no loss in quality of life by 2030, that we should phase out nuclear energy, and that we should entertain vaccine skepticism... Why should I even bother to listen to an anti science quack like her?

I want the genocide to end. I want someone in power who wants it to end and has a plan to make it end. Everything Jill Stein has said suggests to me she has no idea how reality actually works, nor that she has any ideas on how to achieve her stated goals. She's just virtue signaling.

Now, a good leader can't do or plan everything. They aren't going to come up with every solution. That's what they have advisors and like-minded allies in Congress for. If Stein was elected, she would have no fellow Greens in Congress, and we have no guarantee that she'd actually pick experts as her advisors -- I'd actually expect the contrary from someone who thinks Wi-Fi causes cancer. But we don't really know because the Green Party is utterly ineffectual and just cosplays every 4 years.

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 months ago

You're missing the point. Nobody has to trust her word. She doesn't have to be right about everything, she just has to be correct on this particularly important issue. Nobody thinks Jill Stein is going to win. Nobody. So they don't have to imagine how she would implement her platform. It is irrelevant.

The problem for the democrats is that they are so WRONG on this one thing (genocide), that a certain subset of their potential voters can't bring themselves to vote dem. Some of those voters may be bluffing and some may not be. Dems will roll the dice and hope for the best, rather than come out against genocide (my prediction).

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

So how do you know that she's actually against genocide and not just saying it to get some support? If nobody has to trust her word, then why believe her there?

What has she done? Is she organizing demonstrations to protest against Israel and in favor of a cease fire? Is she using her party apparatus to fundraise and donate 100% of proceeds to Gaza aid? Is she trying to speak with Biden, Blinken, or even Democrat congressional members who agree with her?

Or is she just lazing on Twitter and saying how awful it is while also excusing Russia's casus belli into Ukraine?

This whole thing is symbolic of her failure, lack of seriousness, and grifting. She isn't actually doing anything for the causes she claims are super important and her top priority. She's just being a Twitter activist and saying she's very concerned. Stein doesn't do things. She says things. Her actions don't reflect any convictions.

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

How many times can I tell you that you're missing the point. None of what you said matters! When Biden or Harris can barely even pretend to be against genocide, and continue to be responsible (via their current positions of power) for arming the Israelis, that is an acute emergency. The only reason that a potential dem voter is considering voting for Stein instead, is that, #1: she's on the ballot, and #2: she's against the genocide.

Any of your attacks or criticisms of her are irrelevant as long as those two things are true, or until Harris makes a drastic change to her policy.

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