217
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 02 Oct 2024
217 points (99.5% liked)
science
14952 readers
87 users here now
A community to post scientific articles, news, and civil discussion.
rule #1: be kind
<--- rules currently under construction, see current pinned post.
2024-11-11
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
So can we model this now?
Can we use this data to essentially emulate a fruit fly's behavioral patterns?
Like can we just wire this up in a software neural network, feed it some inputs, and see what happens?
As far as I understand, not really, as neural networks are more of a metaphor than an analogue. They don't have a one to one correspondence to brain neuron behavior.
In a physical (as in physics) sense, it’s because software neural nets are inherently digital, whereas actual neurons function in the analog (in terms of electrical impulses, as well as chemically) domain. We don’t have tech to accurately and effectively represent all of that.
Audio is inherently analogue, but you can record it into digital formats just fine.
It's tempting to say "well, that's different though" but it really isn't.
Just like with audio, you'll need high enough fidelity encoding to make it all work, otherwise you end up with garbage.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ-on-a-chip
Based on my understanding of how these things work: Yes, probably no, and probably no... I think the map is just a "catalogue" of what things are, not at the point where we can do fancy models on it
This is their GitHub account, anyone knowledgeable enough about research software engineering is welcomed to give it a try
There are a few neuroscientists who are trying to decipher biological neural connections using principles from deep learning (a.k.a. AI/ML), don't think this is a popular subfield though. Andreas Tolias is the first one that comes to my mind, he and a bunch of folks from Columbia/Baylor were in a consortium when I started my PhD... not sure if that consortium is still going. His lab website (SSL cert expired bruh). They might solve the second two statements you raised... no idea when though.
They have a picture/ model / skeleton but can't simulate the data that flows through those structures yet.
Well there is no "data" per se, there's voltages and a wiring map. And this article is talking about having the complete wiring map.
The neurons deliver electrical pulses across synapses. The thickness and length of the synapse can affect the voltage or amplitude transmitted across to the next neuron. And again, if we have this fairly complete map of synapses, we may have enough information to calculate the electrical outputs of each neuron when it fires.
My understanding is that neurons work something like transistors, they receive signals and when triggered by a strong enough signal, or by enough simultaneous signals, that neuron will also fire and transmit down its synapses. With this alone you absolutely have enough structure for very complex decision making, much like a microprocessor.
I guess the question is really how accurate is this map? If we have a clear enough picture of every synaptic connection, we could simply simulate behavior in software...