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I see this become apparent on social media every so often and it's really just depressing how widespread the misunderstanding is.

51% of Americans who were polled in a 2021 survey agreed with the statement that "You pay your marginal tax rate on all of your income".

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[-] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 58 points 2 months ago

Deliberately miseducated because the Hungry Ghosts needed factory workers and soldiers, not people who could ask questions. The tax code in particular is kept Byzantine on purpose.

I sometimes wonder how much we can blame people; we're here because the programming didn't work on us, but probably for a bunch of different reasons, many of which are also outside of our control.

[-] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 40 points 2 months ago

we're here because the programming didn't work on us, but probably for a bunch of different reasons, many of which are also outside of our control.

If i hadn't got mad at the price of cable 20 years ago and pulled the plug i might be doing cold calls for kamala rn for all i know. I try not to look down on the folks still deep in prop cuz it really wasnt long enough ago i too was in platos cave

[-] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 35 points 2 months ago

"I can the better understand the inert blindness and defiant ignorance of the reactionaries from having been one of them. I know how smugly ignorant I was". - H. P. Lovecraft.

[-] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago

I’m so using that quote.

[-] whogivesashit@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 months ago

"kept Byzantine on purpose." What is the meaning of this phrase?

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago

They mean its kept overly and unnecessarily complex, and difficult to understand on purpose. The reason being because the tax preperation industry lobbies to keep ot thst way because their entire industry is based on it being too complicated.

Byzantine became an adjective to describe a system that is overly complicated and difficult for a lay person to understand the inner workings of. The basis for the word was the bureaucracy of the Byzantine Empire - which was regarded as overly complex and impossible for people outside of it to actually understand. It was probably easier than the US tax code though

[-] Thordros@hexbear.net 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Fun fact! The government of the Byzantine Empire was fairly straightforward. Notably, their tax system was a simple flat tax, with additional taxes levied on landowners based on the value of their holdings.

"Byzantine" became synonymous with excessive complexity because—big surprise incoming—some Anglos just made shit up. Eighteenth century RETVRN bros wanted to trash everything that came after the Roman Empire, and here's where we are today. Neat!

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Thanks! 18th century historians making shit the fuck up is not too surprising, but i hadn't heard about this falsehood yet.

18th century RETVRN bros wanted to trash everything that came after the Roman Empire.

Yeah everything had to fit the Gibbons-esque take about falling into "decadence" and becoming "soft" and "Eastern" shudder

It sucks how pervasive that shit is. It sucks that it was still worming around in my head! Lol

[-] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago

Crap, I have 18th century brainworms to exorcise?

[-] Thordros@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago

For these, you might need to undergo a procedure that involves drilling a hole in your head.

[-] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago

Woo, I always wanted to join the Trepa Nation.

[-] Leon_Grotsky@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago

"Byzantine" when used in this context generally refers to something being excessively convoluted or complex

The tax code in particular is kept overly complicated on purpose.

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