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US vetoes another UN Security Council resolution seeking Gaza ceasefire
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Lame duck presidency and can't even do the right thing
Ducks aren't even this lame
Shows he and the Democratic leaders never intended to end the genicide. Just another sign the democrats no longer support anyone but the oligarchy. Yes the Republicans are worse by alot but people that are anti genicide, anti oligarchy, anti fascism, anti authoritarianism, etc don't have a party to vote for. Only the level of oppression they will see in the next 4 years.
As long as you keep voting limb cutters, they have no motivation to stop cutting limbs. Not voting for limb cutters is the only way to make non limb cutting get on the ballot
Now imagine next election one person is threatening to kill 4 children and the other team 6. Well obviously we should save 4! Then next election, we have to kill 6, so we don't vote for the person killing 8. And so on. That's how we got in this predicament.
harris had never gotten even thousand votes in the primaries where 10 million people vote. she only got to become vp by sucking up to superpacs who didn’t want a progressive like warren as vp
and since 2016 dnc uses primaries more for just pissing on its members.
the problem is not the voters but dnc which today is run by lobbyists.
That is a valid position if you intend to use that time to make it so that children don't need to burn every election.
"Two limbs is just as bad as 4 limbs, so I choose 4 limbs!"
You do realize that there is more than one election? Like every four years there is an election. Treating every election like it is the only one and never looking past the immediate effects for the next year is what brought this mess in the first place.
This is also why this comparison is bad. You can not only loose at this election, but the next one and the one after that amd the one after that. In fact one could argue Americans have been loosong every election to the neoliberals since a few decades. And why? Because you never made a point of getting one party to stop being neoliberals.
This election made me realize that political affiliation in the states for a lot of people is like being in a cult. Rather than accepting that your side has issues and needs a change, people just try to justify it by pointing how bad the other side can be worse. Like 90% of lemmy democrats don't get that I'm not motivated to vote for being waist-deep in shit vs chest-deep in shit. Yes, one is worse than another, but I prefer to vote so I don't have to be in shit at all. But all they will say back is hurr durr trump bad.
I feel like we need to normalize that demanding more from representatives is OK and necessary for a functioning democracy. The party needs to respond to the demands of those they are supposed to represent. This election made it clear that they only care about the demands of the donors and that needs to change
But given a fundamentally broken system such as FPTP, voting is going to do very little to fix the flaws. There is the winner and everyone else, and that everyone else may be the majority. So fi d a better tool for the job. This one clearly isn't working.
Yeah, FPTP is inherently undemocratic and naturally trends to a two-party system. Especially when both parties operate within neoliberalism, intentionally racheting American politics to the right at the behest of capital interests.
I'm all for approval or STAR voting, but I will support any ranked choice ballot measure as any are better than FPTP. Right now it's only possible to enact new voting systems at a local level
The reason people keep trying to say the same thing over and over is because your vote to "not be in shit at all" results in all of us being chest-deep. I want the Dems to change too but it isn't going to happen as a result of folks withholding their votes while we're in a two party system with FPTP voting. So since I would rather be knee deep than chest deep, I voted knee deep.
I'm not going to shame anyone for their voting choices, but let's not try to deny - not voting results in chest deep shit, not no shit, and we'll all get an object lesson in this every single day for about (at least) four years starting in January.
If you are going to proudly stand by your principled choice (which I support), at least be honest about the effects.
So far.
You have this perspective that "we can show them" if we just let the Republicans win, but there's no evidence to support that. Every time the Republicans have won, the Democrats have moved to the right, not the left.
If you want a third party to emerge, you can advocate for that, but a truly leftist third party isn't possible if we lose all our limbs.
EVEN NOW they are blaming progressives, not her nonsensical attempt to woo Republicans while moving right so fast it left vapor trails behind her after announcing her candidacy.
I thought this was going to be a great article. The title made me think it was going to be all about getting tough with Republicans and actually fighting.
https://www.salon.com/2024/11/19/how-democrats-can-move-past-low-dominance-messaging/
SURELY, Salon of all places will rightly criticize her for deciding to run as a Republican. BUT NO:
YIELDED to the far left? With Cheneys on stage at the DNC, more talk about her glock than about climate, no movement on palestine, and not even a willingness to let a pro-Palestine speaker have 30 secs of podium time at the event?
In what fucking way did she "Yield" to the far left with a campaign very clearly and transparently designed to woo Republicans into voting Democrat?
I have to question your grip on reality, Professor Steven Fish of UC Berkeley, if you think what you saw in recent months was Kamala "yielding" a damn thing to the left.
Not for nothing, but where is this two limb option? All I see is four limb options except one is grinning and clapping the other is just wearing a false look of commiseration.
Me: why orphan crushing machine?
You: because other orphan crushing machine driven by Nazies.
Me: but why don't we destroy orphan crushing machine?
You: because orphan crushing machine go burrrrrrrrr
Me:...........
Come back when there is an option that actually destroys the orphan crushing machines. Otherwise your just pouring more fuel into it and making it work faster.
The right thing is to enact a ceasefire in exchange for the immediate release of all Isreali hostages.
The US was right to veto this unenforceable, performative UN bullshit on the grounds that it didn't call for the immediate release of the hostages.
It's a fucking genocide. Stop the killing sort the hostages after.
"Sort" the hostages "after" what?
So in your imagination Israel unilaterally stops fighting against Hamas while (a) Hamas continues to hold civilians hostage, doing all manners of physical and psychological torture to people who only happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and (b) Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran and tribal gangs continue to wage attacks against Israel? And then (and only then), Israel comes back to the negotiating table with Hamas once again for yet another round of negotiations to try to free the hostages, only for Hamas to decide to move the goalposts?
Is this really the type of illogical nonsense people here believe in?
No wonder this shit has been going on for decades... Y'all have lost your damn minds if you think that the world works this way.
Stop the genocide. Stop the killing of innocent civilians. Now.
Then, reach a deal for the hostages, like the ones Netanyahu has repeatedly shot down.
Then, end the occupation: get Israel the fuck out of Gaza, the fuck out of the West Bank, the fuck out of East Jerusalem, back to their 1967 borders.
Or, if you don't think this is realistic (and it isn't because with almost a million settlers, the Israeli right has destroyed the material conditions required for the 2 state solution) prefer cleaner solutions, end Jewish supremacy in Greater Israel (Israel+West Bank+Gaza+Golan+Shebaa). One state, one democracy, equal rights for everyone.
Persecute all war criminals, Israeli and Palestinian. Then run a truth and reconciliation process, with reparations.
Justice, right? Crazy, I know. Illogical shit.
Here's the catch: without justice there will be no peace. Enjoy your endless cycle of violence.
There is no "justice" in any circumstances in which the hostages are not immediately returned.
So you're literally just confirming this:
You must have read "Art of the Deal".
Yes this totally all makes a genocide completely reasonable and acceptable. Genociding the local population, that's true justice innit?
If you could argue against what I said you wouldn't resort to putting words in my mouth, mate.
And if you could read you would know that both Israelies and Palestinians are the "local population" with somewhat dubious historic claims over the land spanning back >3000 years.
Need I remind you that it was the British that drew the maps that have lead us to where we are today?
Explain why Israeli lives matter more than Palestinian lives. Like, be precise.
Who said they are? Only you so far.
You should be more precise with your weird, non sequitur questions.
You keep only talking about 97 Israelis when tens of thousands of Palestinians are dead and countless other are maimed, injured, starved, disposessed. You obviously value those 97 lives more than any of that. Explain why.
It's cynical and frankly fucking disgusting that you view human lives as nothing more than numbers.
Is this just numbers to you? Is that how you quantify the value of human life?
If so, you are beyond help and reasoning.
Nothing can be done for the thousands of people on both sides of this conflict who have been tragically killed in a pointless war, but that does no mean that the people who can be saved right now, today, shouldn't be. I want the immediate release of the hostages, because 1 innocent person taken hostage and tortured for months in an injustice to people everywhere. I want a ceasefire because 1 innocent person killed in a pointless holy war is an injustice to people everywhere.
The real question, and the one to which I can only guess your disgusting answer, is why you don't...
Two scenarios for what happens TONIGHT.
Scenario 1, no ceasefire: the genocide continues, several Palestinians die tonight. The hostages remain hostages. No chance of release. They might get bombed by mistake even.
Scenario 2, no-deal ceasefire: genocide ends, no Palestinians die tonight. The hostages remain hostages. No chance of them being killed by mistake. A chance for a political settlement where they get released.
Do you see the fucking difference?
Scenario 3, hostages freed as part of ceasefire deal: fighting stops, hostages freed.
You wouldn't think it was acceptable that "the hostages remain hostages" if they were people you cared about. Do you not see the fucking difference?
The scenario that will ultimately win is Scenario 1, the hostages will not be released and the war will continue. It'll only get worse when Trump gets into office, so sit back and enjoy existing in the calm before the storm.
Israel can enact Scenario 2 unilaterally, immediately, tonight, regardless of what Hamas thinks, wants, or does. Tonight. Right now. EDIT: And before you smarmily say that Hamas can also release the hostages unilaterly, a reminder that Israel is conducting a genocide (the generals' plan) in Northern Gaza, regardless of what Hamas does. EDIT2: And also let's not forget that Israel makes claims of being a democratic western country, whereas Hamas is a totalitarian islamist bag of shits. So no, they are not the fucking same.
You keep putting hostages being ALIVE hostages above Palestinian kids being DEAD kids.
And by the fucking way, my dude, Israel is holding thousands of Palestinian hostages as well. Anything to say about those? Ostensibly, the only rational part of Sinwar's otherwise deranged "masterplan" was to do a hostage exchange. Do Palestinian hostages matter to you, my dude? Any pearl clutching for the kids in "administrative detention" or "convicted" by IDF military kangaroo courts with 99% conviction rates?
I hate to break it to you but any hostages are most likely dead. Probably killed by the IDF themselves. The people of Gaza are also starving to death. You think POW's are getting first dibs? They won't agree to release them because there aren't any alive.
I could be wrong but there's my 2 cents.
Return the bodies then.
Frankly I hope that they are dead, because the idea of living in a dungeon under Gaza being raped and tortured every day for 13 months is horrific.
And if Hamas has lost track of even the hostages bodies then I don't envy them, because it seems that they've lost what little bargaining position they once had. Uh oh for them.
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