Ok, before this becomes another endless comment chain, let's get one thing out of the way. Most people on this instance do not use the term "incel" for people who are just literally involuntary celibates. We are not into this virgin-shaming BS here, when we say "incel", we usually mean involuntarily celibate people who are ideologically comitted to incel / manosphere / redpill ideology. If you write that group off as just the "very small fraction of psychopthic forever-misogynists", you've missed the entire point of the argument you just got into.

If you don't, i'd genuinely like to know how you get through to these people, because in my experience, they very much can't be "brought out of it with some guidance and hand-holding", their entire online cult revolves around inoculating them against any attempt to help them and trust me, i've tried that over and over again back when these people didn't even call themselves incels, but used words like "permavirgin" or "foreveralone" for themselves. If you have found some miracle cure to reach out to actual incels, not just to people who never had a date in their late twenties, but the ones who've fallen down the rabbit hole into the incel community, then please share that, i'd honestly like to know.