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Why Gen Z Men Voted for Trump
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Thinking that posting "kill all men" is a net benefit to society?
My point being: You'll have to dare a perspective shift to actually understand the issue. No, it's not about gay marriage and stuff. People by and large, at the utmost, just don't give a fuck. Live and let live is popular as ever. Hearing, as a 12yold boy, "Men ruled the world for millennia now it's our turn, you have no problems, men, boys, by definition can't have any problems, also mutilating your genitals is perfectly justified look at this one random study which says that if you don't wash yourself then circumcision reduces AIDS rates"... yeah. 12 years is significantly less than millennia, why in the everloving fuck would you blame the poor kid for it and don't get me started on the circumcision shit the US is cooked.
As said: Dare that perspective shift. It's not about queer theory, it's not about emancipation, it's about institutionalised cattiness and bitter, over-zealous rhetoric creating a particular appearance. It's also pretty much limited to the US, there's bits and pieces floating over the Atlantic but our gender relations and politics over here aren't fucked-up enough to generate that kind of shit ourselves. Also we don't mutilate genitals.
Or, differently put: Take all the pain you've ever seen within the community created by ace and bi erasure, about TERFy enmity, about transmeds, about whatnot, and funnel it onto a young kid who has no letter, not even the "A" for ally they stole from the aces, because why would you give a fuck about ally status when you're bitter and want to let off steam. Do that in queer spaces. Do that with your therapist, don't do it in a public political space -- the 12yolds are reading -- and even more so don't try to justify it as "part of the struggle". And actively work against queer spaces becoming self-pity circlejerks of bitterness. Be uppity, be brash, be loud, be fun, be colourful, don't be aggressive. Hug a homophobe they hate that, don't spit fire on them their neuroses love that.
Lol how is that LGBT ideology?
It isn't, and it is. As said: A matter of perspective. What it definitely is part of is the theory of praxis.
Queer theory itself certainly doesn't vibe with the essentialism inherent in stuff like "kill all men". But that doesn't mean that the two don't get associated in a 12yold's brain if "kill all men" is what he hears from a blue-haired lesbian. I'm talking in caricatures, of course, just vaguely gesturing at broader political/social interactions.
And, also, granted, in a different socio-economic environment that blue-haired lesbian probably wouldn't matter, at all (might even have been a political lesbian appropriating queerness). But our 12yold is also seeing his parents getting fired from their jobs, denied housing assistance, is getting made fun of for it in school, is simultaneously worrying about how to, one time, get a girl and found a family and the situation looks dire indeed -- not a siltation which would be conducive of taking a level-headed look at the situation and conclude "that women was just angry, it doesn't mean anything". Instead, it's a convenient point to project generalised ire at, a scapegoat silencing that overpowering help- and hopelessness.
So, in short: "Why do they hate us"? Probably, almost certainly, not for any good reason. That doesn't mean that nothing can be done to make em love you, in fact it wouldn't be hard at all because they're love-starved and looking for at least a hope of a better future. Take them along for the ride and you'll have an ally for life. Antagonise them, don't step in when others pointlessly antagonise them, and you shot yourself in the knee.
Lmfao ramblings of a doofus
You're not talking in caricatures or vaguely gesturing broadly. You're creating a strawman.
None of that is real and then the question becomes two for, why the hell are you calling it queer theory or gay agenda or gender ideology. Because you're fucked by propaganda.
Second part, how do you say all this and not question the current "sTrAiGhT tHeOrY" existence we live
I'm calling it queer theory because that's what it's called. It's where terms like "heteronormative" come from. Much of it is about the relationship between social norms, or just what's common, and non-normative individuals, with a particular focus on sexual and gender minorities. And it, indeed, does not look too kindly on gender essentialism because that would mean erasure of non-binary gender experiences. Also because queer theorists don't like normativity which essentialism boils down to in practice, in one way or the other.
I am, broadly speaking, a huge fan of it. If I were to critique it... well, it isn't neuroqueer theory. I like the name though, "queer" should IMHO also apply to neurodivergent people. Can we get a letter? N is free, isn't it?
"gay agenda", "gender ideology" are terms you randomly introduced into the conversation.
You mean... heteronormativity? The kind of shit that queer theory analyses? Also there's plenty of queer straights around. Like, aces exist, trans folks exist. Enbies can also be straight.
Kid reads Tumblr and has Internet access, thinks he knows anything. You're on the Internet too much and it is showing, you do not engage in any sort of academic setting
You literally speak of these characters as if they're real people and that's how they really act. Spewing words like queer theory and gender ideology. People are fuckin hilarious
That we can agree on.