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submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net to c/hexbear@hexbear.net

Hello comrades. In the interest of upholding our code of conduct - specifically, rule 1 (providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all) - we felt it appropriate to make a statement regarding the lionization of Luigi Mangione, the alleged United Healthcare CEO shooter, also known as "The Adjuster."

In the day or so since the alleged shooter's identity became known to the public, the whole world has had the chance to dig though his personal social media accounts and attempt to decipher his political ideology and motives. What we have learned may shock you. He is not one of us. He is a "typical" American with largely incoherent, and in many cases reactionary politics. For the most part, what is remarkable about the man himself is that he chose to take out his anger on a genuine enemy of the proletariat, instead of an elementary school.

This is a situation where the art must be separated from the artist. We do not condemn the attack, but as a role model, Luigi Mangione falls short. We do not expect perfection from revolutionary figures either, but we expect a modicum of revolutionary discipline. We expect them not simply to identify an unpopular element of society hitler-detector , but to clearly illuminate the causes of oppression and the means by which they are overcome. When we canonize revolutionary figures, we are holding them up as an example to be followed.

This is where things come back to rule 1. Mangione has a long social media history bearing a spectrum of reactionary viewpoints, and interacting positively with many powerful reactionary figures. While some commenters have referred to this as "nothing malicious," by lionizing this man we effectively deem this behavior acceptable, or at the very least, safe to ignore. This is the type of tailism which opens the door to making a space unsafe for marginalized people.

We're going to be more strict on moderating posts which do little more than lionize the shooter. There is plenty to be said about the unfolding events, the remarkably positive public reaction, how public reactions to "propaganda of the deed" may have changed since the historical epoch of its conception (and how the strategic hazards might not have), and many other aspects of the news without canonizing this man specifically. We can still dance on the graves of our enemies and celebrate their rediscovered fear and vulnerability without the vulgar revisionism needed to pretend this man is some sort of example of Marxist or Anarchist practice.

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[-] trot@hexbear.net 37 points 2 weeks ago

Good post. While we are at it, we should ban lionizing Stalin for his reactionary viewpoints next.

[-] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 33 points 2 weeks ago

Luigi is just like Stalin. very insightful!

[-] trot@hexbear.net 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Neither of them are Marxists, so yes. trollface

[-] nandos_house_of_glues@hexbear.net 26 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

now we’re going with offing a ceo is somehow equivalent to leading the Soviet Union through an existential battle with nazism? Italian boy also had the benefit of being born after decades of social advancement

[-] trot@hexbear.net 6 points 2 weeks ago

Because Stalin just single-handedly did that alone - not the millions of Soviet people who fought the Nazis in the war?

[-] nandos_house_of_glues@hexbear.net 18 points 2 weeks ago

you werent lying with the username were you? and i don't think you're in anything approaching good faith pero 'leading' obviously contextualizes him as leading 'the millions of Soviet people', it's not hard

[-] TrashGoblin@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago
[-] nandos_house_of_glues@hexbear.net 7 points 2 weeks ago

maybe, if it is then 'ha ha' i guess but if it is i dont think it's great that it seems believable enough in this thread

[-] Mindfury@hexbear.net 23 points 2 weeks ago
[-] frauddogg@hexbear.net 8 points 2 weeks ago

Actual first time a bit during a struggle session's got me laughing; genuinely a good one. (Honestly as funny as I find the Bureaucracy now, having them turn up in the middle of the last one was more a head-scratcher than anything.)

[-] cosecantphi@hexbear.net 14 points 2 weeks ago

Lionizing problematic dead people who measurably accomplished great things for humanity makes a lot more sense than lionizing people who are still alive with a history of reactionary viewpoints after one act of adventurism motivated by leftist thought.

Let's get to know Luigi a little more before we start saying he's our guy. Maybe he really has radicalized and learned a lot since he stopped posting, but if he hasn't and he starts spouting problematic shit from atop the pedestal we put him on, we'd feel pretty damn foolish.

[-] Dirt_Possum@hexbear.net 9 points 2 weeks ago

We shouldn't be putting him on a pedestal either way, but we really shouldn't be removing the posts or banning everyone who says something the slightest bit positive about him.

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago

Damn I missed one.

[-] Red_Renewal_Cosmonaut@hexbear.net 8 points 2 weeks ago

pika-pickaxe pika-pickaxe pika-pickaxe pika-pickaxe pika-pickaxe pika-pickaxe pika-pickaxe

who let the false leftist on this site?

[-] trot@hexbear.net 4 points 2 weeks ago

Real Leftism is when you glorify the murder of Bolsheviks every time you see a criticism of Stalin

[-] Florist@hexbear.net 7 points 2 weeks ago
[-] Chickpeas@hexbear.net 6 points 2 weeks ago

Everyone who said homosexuality was a bourgeois excess needs to be purged from our collective consciousness

[-] MidnightPocket@hexbear.net 5 points 2 weeks ago

Well while we're on the topic...

Anyone want to take a crack at the validity of this excerpt from the guy writing the letter?:

However, because fascism destroys the working-class family and furthers the impoverishment of the masses, it essentially stimulates the development of the second type of homosexuality I have described — that is, [homosexuality] out of necessity.

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