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submitted 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) by PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net to c/hexbear@hexbear.net

Hello comrades. In the interest of upholding our code of conduct - specifically, rule 1 (providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all) - we felt it appropriate to make a statement regarding the lionization of Luigi Mangione, the alleged United Healthcare CEO shooter, also known as "The Adjuster."

In the day or so since the alleged shooter's identity became known to the public, the whole world has had the chance to dig though his personal social media accounts and attempt to decipher his political ideology and motives. What we have learned may shock you. He is not one of us. He is a "typical" American with largely incoherent, and in many cases reactionary politics. For the most part, what is remarkable about the man himself is that he chose to take out his anger on a genuine enemy of the proletariat, instead of an elementary school.

This is a situation where the art must be separated from the artist. We do not condemn the attack, but as a role model, Luigi Mangione falls short. We do not expect perfection from revolutionary figures either, but we expect a modicum of revolutionary discipline. We expect them not simply to identify an unpopular element of society hitler-detector , but to clearly illuminate the causes of oppression and the means by which they are overcome. When we canonize revolutionary figures, we are holding them up as an example to be followed.

This is where things come back to rule 1. Mangione has a long social media history bearing a spectrum of reactionary viewpoints, and interacting positively with many powerful reactionary figures. While some commenters have referred to this as "nothing malicious," by lionizing this man we effectively deem this behavior acceptable, or at the very least, safe to ignore. This is the type of tailism which opens the door to making a space unsafe for marginalized people.

We're going to be more strict on moderating posts which do little more than lionize the shooter. There is plenty to be said about the unfolding events, the remarkably positive public reaction, how public reactions to "propaganda of the deed" may have changed since the historical epoch of its conception (and how the strategic hazards might not have), and many other aspects of the news without canonizing this man specifically. We can still dance on the graves of our enemies and celebrate their rediscovered fear and vulnerability without the vulgar revisionism needed to pretend this man is some sort of example of Marxist or Anarchist practice.

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[-] Commiejones@hexbear.net 9 points 15 hours ago

The only correct response is to deny that Luigi is The Guy. Fuck Luigi. God damned fed boot licking scumbag is willing to give up his life for their lie and I hope he has the worst possible time in prison. The 3 letter agencies have created patsies before. They always lie and plant evidence. Luigi is not the guy, its an unfalsifiable Orthodoxy embrace it.

The real story that the feds wont tell you.The Guy was a fucking hero. He killed that ceo scum. He hopped on his bike, rode into central park, Changed his clothes and walked out of there looking like a tourist. He caught a plane home. He went back to his lover's grave and told them he avenged them. He sat down and felt more alone than even the moment they had died from an illness that should have been covered by their insurance. He wept for hours for because he now knew there was nothing to hold his lover to this world but he was wrong.

He was about to pass out from the exhaustion of weeping. Unbidden came the memory of their home, a "fixer-uper," the only thing they "could" afford, it was gone, eaten by medical bills, in its place there was a 4 story neo-brutalist apartment building. The whole neighbourhood was gone. He remembered the day they finally took possession of the house. He carried them over the threshold half ironically but half as a desperate plea for mercy from the reactionary ideals they offended. He set them down to the sound of creaking floorboards. "there is still so much to do." Their voice had spoken these words softly with wearied resolution at the time but now they rang in his head with defiance and anger, "THERE IS STILL SO MUCH TO DO" The Guy did have more to do. He had gotten away with it this time. The one most responsible for their death was dead but there were more CEOs and and entire world geared towards making more CEOs to replace any that might fall.

He looked down at his hands they were red with blood. He blinked and another drop of blood fell from his eyes. Yes He would soak his hands in blood, the blood of the capitalists will fall like rain. The tears of all the exploited and cheated masses would be matched by the blood of the rich. but first he would need to organize likeminded people, he needed to read more theory, he needed to let his dead love go and devote himself fully to the revolution.

[-] TheaJo@hexbear.net 14 points 17 hours ago

that is, if he's the adjuster

[-] flugolem@hexbear.net 17 points 18 hours ago

when are we just gonna make a struggle session mega. if we can have a news mega, we can have a struggle session mega imo

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[-] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 18 points 18 hours ago

Fuck you fed ass admins

How many figures that are praised here have problematic views? how many of those have those have a pinned post about their lionisation??

Luigi Mangione is a Hero, Unequivocally

[-] iie@hexbear.net 12 points 16 hours ago

We praise Stalin despite his homophobia, we praise Hamas, but that's Stalin and Hamas. A single white adventurist in the imperial core, in 2024, who retweets posts mocking trans people, we don't need to hero worship this guy among ourselves, at that point it starts to feel like we're trivializing his reactionary views. When you're out recruiting, say whatever you want, but on hexbear, for the sake of other people's comfort, try to have some nuance. That's all this mod post is asking for.

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[-] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 17 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Literally following the CIA playbook on how to wreck nascent orgs by quashing any revolutionary potential with irrelevant discussions designed to waste time and sow discord

[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 28 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

This website has no revolutionary potential

its a website

[-] 420LetPobedy@hexbear.net 9 points 17 hours ago

Agreed it's online so nothing means anything hence the peasants out of step with ivory tower admins need to start towing the line

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 6 points 14 hours ago

here's the final comment of the threadLAST! OH SHIT IS THAT MARIO ABOUT TO PUSH ME DOWN THE STAIRS? stairs

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 6 points 14 hours ago

Alright I'm pulling all the pins and locking this down. if you sneak in a comment before the door closes try to make it something funny other than "last"

[-] PointAndClique@hexbear.net 6 points 14 hours ago

Lion eyes lionise lyin' eyes 👁️ Luigi ain't our boy

[-] DengistDonnieDarko@hexbear.net 14 points 17 hours ago

based principled leftist dorner

based principled leftist yamagami

[-] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 17 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Dorner / the guy who killed Shinzo were memed. Luigi was memed. But what we didn't have with the first two was this tendency to try to latch on to them and claim them, and combat other factions trying to do the same. The takeaway should be that vigilante justice against the ruling class is apparently more popular than ever. When we are getting into the weeds trying to fight over whether an individual spontaneous event was done by our guy or not, it is pure navel gazing. We aren't doing shit. We are so fucking deep in the couch, just spectating.

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[-] sempersigh@hexbear.net 14 points 18 hours ago
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[-] VARXBLE@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 21 hours ago

Kinda unrelated, but the kind of person who cries about their post being removed for lionizing a problematic guy with paragraphs of justifation for why it being removed was an affront to all true leftists everywhere and how this site is literally 1984, are the same kind of people who seem to think their opinions are the most valid of opinions and people NEED TO see them, and the real injustice is the censoring of their enlightened takes.

Some of y'all need to separate the ego from your posting.

[-] PapaEmeritusIII@hexbear.net 6 points 16 hours ago
[-] Blottergrass@hexbear.net 12 points 19 hours ago

Do you guys have any serious plan to do anything ever?

[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 11 points 18 hours ago

What are you expecting them to do exactly?

[-] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 10 points 18 hours ago
[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 14 points 18 hours ago

serious plan

Not be wrecking feds?

Are we being serious or flippant, here? I'm not sassing you I just didn't know what you meant and that's not very descriptive

[-] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 9 points 18 hours ago

Comfortable white admins, is that more descriptive?

[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 17 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

jesse-wtf

Genuinely no that isn't more descriptive of what you are trying to say and where you are coming from. I thought this was a move that was called for by marginalized comrades and that the white treatbrained americans among us were upset at first, what about this move has anything to do with, or implies, the admins being "comfortable and white"?

[-] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 10 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

What is you reasoning for the different admin response to LM, and Tetsuya Yamagami yamagami who also wasn't ideological pure and was literally a member of Japan(NATO ally)'s military, other than location and race?

[-] iie@hexbear.net 10 points 16 hours ago

I've never seen a single hexbear unironically hero worship Tetsuya Yamagami, only ever meme about him.

[-] Leon_Grotsky@hexbear.net 9 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

The difference is the way the average user was responding to that event.

This is the original doohickey post, the OP of that post (@skinwalker) was banned for saying "Full uncritical support for the shooter, even if they are one of those weird ultra nationalist who flooded the subway with nerve gas."

The rest of the users went on to talk about Abe; celebrating his death, talking about his history and the LDP, the Moonies, etc. without them.

https://hexbear.net/post/206573?sort=Top

[-] Ivysaur@hexbear.net 7 points 17 hours ago

go do anything else except for posting. what’s the thing. touch outside? go grass? you all love saying it

[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 59 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Did you guys check if yamagami had good politics before you officially lionized him on Hexbear? Or are you just navel gazing because Luigi is American?

[-] DeathToBritain@hexbear.net 42 points 23 hours ago

Dorner, doohickey guy, Teddy K, even arguably Aaron Bushnell being a US service member who directly aided in US imperialism, all had shitty takes and were adventurists who didn't directly overthrow the system as is through a systemic mass movement based around the materialist principles of Marxism. I do not care about Luigi that much one way or the other than it's funny an Italian guy blasted an evil mfer in the middle of NYC. it's just the flavour of the month news story and the mods demanding you post correctly about it with very little actual explaination of what that means leading to week long bans over not being the principled reading club of the vanguard again. one mans taillism is anothers propaganda of the deed, and discussion around that should be allowed as it is with the aformentioned people we literally have emojis of.

[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 34 points 21 hours ago

I have no problem with people going around saying this guy isn't Lenin or whatever, they are right. I just don't think this post was warranted, and if anything, its going to prolong this whole thing. Also there is of course the lack of consistency on who gets to be "lionized".

[-] DeathToBritain@hexbear.net 31 points 21 hours ago

for sure. a mod statement with mass action blows it way out of proportion. genuinely just wait like a month and few people will talk about this at all

[-] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 16 points 18 hours ago

Evidently the fedmins need to shut down the discussion quicker than that

[-] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 25 points 22 hours ago

just for what its worth nobody got a week long ban for luigiposting, there was one handed out for hostility and DM harassment.

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[-] iie@hexbear.net 6 points 16 hours ago

when did hexbear ever hero worship the Shinzo Abe shooter? When was he ever more than a meme on this site.

[-] john_brown@hexbear.net 46 points 1 day ago

assad-must-stay

who-must-go

must-go

assad-pogger

It's almost like there's no consistency in the moderation and scolding

[-] glimmer_twin@hexbear.net 37 points 22 hours ago

Mod responses on hexbear seem to be entirely based on which mods are awake and active in chat at any given time lol

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