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[โ€“] Llituro@hexbear.net 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (12 children)

what exactly do you expect a vanguard party structure to do? this isn't the Duma and the amerikkkan electorate is certainly much more ideologically fascist than early 20th century russian peasants and the thin strata of proletarians that existed at the time. the basic leninist position on electoralism is that it's a good opportunity for agitprop and trying to get as much power as you can under the existing structures. i didn't say they have "zero intention" of winning, i said they weren't deluded enough to think that it was a possibility and therefore it must be part of a different strategy. i'm not a psl member, but i don't think they're as politically unsavvy as the lib jill stein greens.

also arguably having zero intention of winning in favor of agitprop is the primary current function of the democratic party and it's arguably been very effective at helping sideline and limit critical voices against the status quo. it's certainly the basis under which they collect donations. you can say you don't agree with the strategy, that you think there's some other better way that a marxist-leninist vanguard might attempt agitprop from withing the us amerikkkan political structure that doesn't involve running political campaigns for public office, but that's different than writing off the strategy entirely without reason and implying that they're grifting donators. like what do you think a psl donator is thinking exactly? "if all of us do this then they can win?"

edit: for the record, i think jabril has been making good points in this thread that are critical of psl. i also am generally of the mindset that they'd probably be better off attempting to actually organize workers locally.

[โ€“] impartial_fanboy@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago (9 children)

If the purpose of the campaign is essentially just an advertisement then they could literally just spend money on targeted ads. At least that would be honest.

the amerikkkan electorate is certainly much more ideologically fascist than early 20th century russian peasants

The American electorate primarily does not vote. And if it is ideologically anything it is incoherent.

The money they waste on the campaign would be much better spent setting up chapters in rural areas so there is a real option to the hegemonic chudness. It's also way easier to win elections when the electorate size in any race is in the hundreds not hundreds of thousands.

[โ€“] Lyudmila@hexbear.net 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, dude. I know for me, if there's anything that makes me want to look at, research, and think about something, it's targeted ads. I definitely don't use AdBlock like everyone else under 35.

I'm not trying to silence disagreement or anything, I just think that's a deeply unserious suggestion.

[โ€“] impartial_fanboy@hexbear.net 5 points 6 months ago

I definitely don't use AdBlock like everyone else under 35.

This is just objectively not true. Also the point would be to target 'normal' people not terminally online people like us. But it's beside the point, I was just saying if you're gonna throw money at something, that would be a better use of funds.

They should make a concerted effort to win local elections. Or focus on one particular state and truly try to flip it. But I get either of those paths are harder than doing a press tour.

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