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jointhefediverse.net - Why was Lemmy removed from the list of fediverse alternatives? (github.com)

submitted 5 days ago by teohhanhui@lemmy.world to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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jointhefediverse.net seems to be a commonly linked resource for directing people to join the Fediverse.

Curiously, it does not list Lemmy under the list of Reddit alternatives. Their GitHub README explains why.

Previous relevant discussion: https://lemmy.ml/post/78808

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[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 102 points 5 days ago

Lemmy was removed due to:

reports of how the developers handle certain types of content (post removed, view an incomplete archive)

the behavior of its creator

how the sotware itself handles users' privacy.

All valid concerns.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 41 points 4 days ago

No, they're not.

how the developers handle certain types of content

Doesn't matter if you stay away from .ml.

the behavior of its creator

Kind of valid, but open source and open license negates a lot of that.

how the sotware itself handles users’ privacy.

You think anything else on the Fediverse is better? When you post something publicly, it's public. Doesn't really matter what the software does. If you don't have End to End encryption, it's not private.

[-] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Doesn't matter if you stay away from .ml.

And they are. They have delisted Lemmy as a recommendation.

Kind of valid, but open source and open license negates a lot of that.

It's really bad PR. I don't recommend Lemmy to people because of this shit.

You think anything else on the Fediverse is better?

If their servers delete content you want deleted, yes.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 7 points 4 days ago

If their servers delete content you want deleted, yes.

It's the case for Lemmy

Unfortunately there was some miscommunication in this issue and we failed to get to the root cause. In fact the Lemmy backend has an option to delete all content when an account is deleted. This used to be the default behaviour but was changed in 0.19 so you need to set a parameter delete_content. We failed to add a checkbox for this parameter to lemmy-ui.

However the checkbox is added now in #2385 and will be included in the next Lemmy release. Other frontends and clients may also need to adjust the delete_account api call.

https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/2384#issuecomment-1978857727

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[-] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 62 points 5 days ago

Point 1 and 2 really need to be addressed.

It would be so much better if lemmy wasn't developed by genocide white-washing tankies.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 31 points 5 days ago

https://piefed.social/ is catching up

[-] kat@orbi.camp 8 points 5 days ago

Any way to migrate a self hosted lemmy instance to piefed?

[-] andrew_s@piefed.social 16 points 5 days ago

No, it's not geared up for that. There's a platform called sublinks where the intention is to be initially compatible enough with Lemmy that it can be a drop-in replacement, but they haven't released anything yet.

[-] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 5 points 3 days ago

but they haven’t released anything yet

And with their current pace, it seems likely they never will. There's been no major development on it for months as far as I can see.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago

Yes, same feeling

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[-] realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club 52 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I hate it when people try to gatekeep like this. I don't need to be handheld. If there's a Fediverse alternative to something and it mostly works, it should be on the website. Anything less is not useful at best.

Edit: I say this as someone who has historically criticized the behavior of the devs as well as multiple Lemmy communities BTW.

[-] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 16 points 4 days ago

I agree 100% with this. The developers or the operators of lemmy.ml may be assholes, but the beauty of decentralization is I can simply not use their instance. I do not. Thus, while a warning label is necessary, I think more good is done by making people aware of the alternative to Reddit than by sweeping the whole thing under the rug.

As for user privacy, I'm not sure Lemmy is any worse than any other Fediverse app. There were a couple of bad things like being unable to delete a hosted image, but that has been fixed. Once again, warning label, not rug sweep.

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[-] Bezier@suppo.fi 35 points 5 days ago

To me the first one is an instance problem (ml, hexbear?), and not a lemmy problem. It has looked like they've been trying to separate the two as much as possible.

[-] haverholm@kbin.earth 19 points 5 days ago

But the Lemmy project and specific instances are not so easily separated. From the archived mastodon thread:

lemmy.ml (the official Lemmy instance) resolves to the same IP address as lemmygrad.ml (the instance that contains the most disturbing material).

Lemmy.ml also federates with lemmygrad, and the devs advertise lemmygrad on their "join lemmy" site.

Do the Lemmy developers themselves run the lemmygrad.ml site? (Its main logo is a tank, incidentally.)

So yeah, newcomers are presented with a join-lemmy site that promotes Lemmygrad and Lemmy ML, both of which appear to be run by the Lemmy devs.

That pretty much makes it a Lemmy problem.

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 14 points 4 days ago

On what basis can anyone declare one instance to be the 'main' one? I've seen a number of people claim the same thing about .world, but none of them need to be considered the 'main' ones. The entire motivation for the creation of the fediverse is to allow segmentation.... I think people simply want to make it an issue because without these little cross-community spats things get boring.

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[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 23 points 5 days ago

What is the issue with user privacy? These do not sound like valid concerns to me.

[-] andrew_s@piefed.social 19 points 5 days ago

This is all quite old drama, and the issue itself is fixed now, but at one point someone kicked off about how if you uploaded a picture to Lemmy, there was no easy way to delete it (you could delete your post, but the image would still be there at whatever URL was created for it, and it wasn't even that easy for admins to find and remove it) - so I'm guessing that it stems from that.

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[-] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 5 days ago

it's federated. It's the only way it can work. Everything still on that ist must suffer from the same thing. Federation means handing stuff to someone else. Once that's done, it's out of your hands forever.

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[-] teohhanhui@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago

Yeah, seems like it's just how ActivityPub works / how federated networks are.

Recently came across this very interesting writeup: https://gitlab.com/spritely/ocappub/blob/master/README.org (via https://social.coop/@cwebber/113639985634239856)

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 8 points 5 days ago

No that cant be why they do not list lemmy. The other services there federate in the same way.

[-] comfy@lemmy.ml 17 points 5 days ago

The linked post given on the second point is a bit flimsy. It's basically saying that if you use evidence published by a person with shitty views, you must have them too. To me, that's absurd as claiming that referencing FBI statistics makes someone a federal agent.