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jointhefediverse.net - Why was Lemmy removed from the list of fediverse alternatives? (github.com)

submitted 4 days ago by teohhanhui@lemmy.world to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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jointhefediverse.net seems to be a commonly linked resource for directing people to join the Fediverse.

Curiously, it does not list Lemmy under the list of Reddit alternatives. Their GitHub README explains why.

Previous relevant discussion: https://lemmy.ml/post/78808

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[-] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 38 points 4 days ago

This is so stupid. Did everyone stop using ballpoint pens because the inventor was a nazi? No.

[-] Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 3 days ago

but... I wouldn't drive a Tesla because of Elon Musk.

[-] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 20 points 3 days ago

But by buying a tesla youre giving elon money and promoting his product which is much more closely tied to his views than lemmy is to the devs views.

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Would you drive a Ford? Because you should read up on Henry Ford’s beliefs if so.

How about BMW? Wanna talk about their history? Actually, give me a car company you like, and we’ll just dig into that one.

I wouldn’t drive a Tesla because they’re shitty cars.

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[-] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 36 points 4 days ago

Could you, like, maybe post the explanation we're supposed to be discussing for context instead of making us go search for it?

[-] LarsIsCool@lemmy.world 32 points 4 days ago

Why was Lemmy removed from the list of fediverse alternatives?

Lemmy was removed due to:

reports of how the developers handle certain types of content (post removed, view an incomplete archive)
the behavior of its creator
how the sotware itself handles users' privacy.

Keep in mind that software is by no means "neutral". The people who make it make decisions about how it works based on their beliefs and goals. That's why, for example, you can't quote posts on Mastodon (at least for now), but you can do so on other fediverse platforms.

[-] Phegan@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

God damn it, of all the garbage people to quote, why did it have to be LaRouche

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[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 38 points 4 days ago

The reasoning they give is ludicrous. That's idiotic as saying because someone put up a pedophile website, Apache is the devil. Even if Apache were built by NAMBLA, if it's opensource and doesn't randomly insert pictures of naked kids into your website, how does the developer matter to the product?

[-] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 3 days ago

If Nambla owned Apache, I think Apache should be taken from Nambla.

[-] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 158 points 4 days ago

That feels like complaints about lemmy.ml specifically more than Lemmy as a software. There's a few instances that defederate lemmy.ml out there.

[-] Azzu@lemm.ee 64 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

They can do whatever shit they want with their instance and believe whatever they want. The software they make provably doesn't have any more biases than any other software. As long as that's the case, I'm fine.

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[-] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 4 days ago

it's complaints about the developer (which are valid) who also runs lemmy.ml.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago

How much effort do you think Meta, Twitter, and Reddit put into getting open social media people to fight against themselves?

[-] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 days ago

Very little

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[-] wpb@lemmy.world 29 points 4 days ago

"I'm gonna stop using GNU/Linux because I don't like Richard Stallman"

It's valid to dislike the devs (I disagree, I've found them nothing but courteous, and have read their posts with interest), but it's ridiculous to exclude their software from this list.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 102 points 4 days ago

Lemmy was removed due to:

reports of how the developers handle certain types of content (post removed, view an incomplete archive)

the behavior of its creator

how the sotware itself handles users' privacy.

All valid concerns.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 41 points 4 days ago

No, they're not.

how the developers handle certain types of content

Doesn't matter if you stay away from .ml.

the behavior of its creator

Kind of valid, but open source and open license negates a lot of that.

how the sotware itself handles users’ privacy.

You think anything else on the Fediverse is better? When you post something publicly, it's public. Doesn't really matter what the software does. If you don't have End to End encryption, it's not private.

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[-] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 62 points 4 days ago

Point 1 and 2 really need to be addressed.

It would be so much better if lemmy wasn't developed by genocide white-washing tankies.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 31 points 4 days ago

https://piefed.social/ is catching up

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[-] realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club 52 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I hate it when people try to gatekeep like this. I don't need to be handheld. If there's a Fediverse alternative to something and it mostly works, it should be on the website. Anything less is not useful at best.

Edit: I say this as someone who has historically criticized the behavior of the devs as well as multiple Lemmy communities BTW.

[-] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 16 points 4 days ago

I agree 100% with this. The developers or the operators of lemmy.ml may be assholes, but the beauty of decentralization is I can simply not use their instance. I do not. Thus, while a warning label is necessary, I think more good is done by making people aware of the alternative to Reddit than by sweeping the whole thing under the rug.

As for user privacy, I'm not sure Lemmy is any worse than any other Fediverse app. There were a couple of bad things like being unable to delete a hosted image, but that has been fixed. Once again, warning label, not rug sweep.

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[-] Bezier@suppo.fi 35 points 4 days ago

To me the first one is an instance problem (ml, hexbear?), and not a lemmy problem. It has looked like they've been trying to separate the two as much as possible.

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[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 42 points 4 days ago

It's almost certainly because of the tankie factory that is .ml and the fact that it's admins are all hard core tankies (including the main dev! And ofc the whole infamous Nutomic transphobe incident)

Coupled with the fact that a few of the biggest communities are on .ml does not bode well.

That's why I keep calling for a general boycott against posting content or comments on .ml communities.

.ml doesn't want growth, they want a tankie echo chamber, if anybody wants to actually see Lemmy grow at a healthy pace it starts with shuning the hostile tankies and their instances.

[-] Emperor@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago

!de_ml@lemmy.blahaj.zone

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 27 points 4 days ago

Coupled with the fact that a few of the biggest communities are on .ml does not bode well.

https://lemmyverse.net/communities?order=active_month

0 community in the top 10
2 communities in the top 20

That’s why I keep calling for a general boycott against posting content or comments on .ml communities.

!linux@programming.dev is a good alternative to !linux@lemmy.ml

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[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 38 points 4 days ago

Nutomic and Dessalines may be tankies, but they're our tankies

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[-] StopTouchingYourPhone@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

ty for this post. Looks like a well-trod ground for most people here, but for newcomers like me the whole conversation was really enlightening and TIL.