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Alright new atrocity from Israel just dropped, who should we blame:
All of the above, plus:
How about the lemmy people who actively campaigned for trump and attacked anyone for Biden because Biden was anti Palestine. Those people can go fuck themselves. Its a guarantee they swayed votes to trump based on lies.
I keep seeing this sentiment here lately, yet no evidence that it happened on a meaningful scale is ever presented.
Uh, well, I’m not the commenter you’re replying to but I personally saw it all over the place. You didn’t? There was at least one in what felt like every thread for months.
There were a few
Which Lemmy voter actively campaigned for Trump?
They mean people who didn't campaign for Harris hard enough. It's the obvious next step from "if you didn't vote for Harris you voted for Trump"; "if you didn't actively campaign for Harris you actively campaigned for Trump".
That’s disingenuous. It was active campaigning against Harris, saying she and Biden were complicit in genocide and that a vote for either was a vote for genocide. Actively campaigning against one candidate is effectively (if not outrightly) campaigning for that candidate’s rival.
Liar.
Clearly it's the leftists, they personally didn't vote or voted third party or voted for Trump or whatever we need to say to deflect blame, and they did it in every swing state! It's their fault, not the candidate!
This is sort of strawmanning some of the criticism. Leftists who held up nonvoting as some kind of magic bullet for gaza definitely seem like they are dumber than rocks for thinking nonvoting is the same as strategic voting.
However, There's a bunch of like consultants and dem strategists that have clung to this to scapegoat these people as though there wasn't a long chain of massive errors dems and their braindead consultants weren't heavily involved in.
At the end of the day just stop listening to "not voting is a moral stance" people and put fires under the real culprits: lying republican media and apathetic democrat politicians
Hey I see you got one one too, nice strawman you got there
do you, really?
It's the Palestinian Muslim Leftists who have completely overrun our beloved liberal institutions and undermined them. These tankies are the fifth column that brought Harris's glorious march to office down from the inside.
We clearly need to purge our companies, our schools, and our political organizations of anyone who resembles, aligns with, or appears to look like a Palestinian or a Leftist sympathizer.
We absolutely must do this in order to Beat Trump. You do want to Beat Trump, don't you?
I sure do! So we must:
Anything else is Dreamland! Why wouldn't I want what Trump stans want? I want to court them so much I'll vote for anyone who's on the blue team, no matter how much they hate me!
I personally can't wait for them to corralled all those men who are trans! They should be punished! They should chop off their dicks. Then I could probably get mine extended uhh 2 or 3 more inches would be totally fine.
Look, it's time to take stock and move ahead, we need to focus on the here and now and try to do some good, and prevent some bad.
To that end, I recommend that both liberals and leftists focus on performatively scolding imaginary interlocutors from the other group over semi anonymous forums.
The neoliberal Dems are currently rubber stamping Trump's fascist agenda
They aren't interested in helping people.
Liberalism doesnt fucking exist in America, its called neoliberalism and its racist af. Do you all not realize how far right wing America actually is or do you just love to play stupid?
We do, some of us are disgusted by it, some of us love it (we love fascism here in the US of A), it is just centrist status quo managers that pretend or actually believe that the goalposts aren't all completely determined in their location and manner by the rightwing and the rich, subject to erratic and sudden unrationalized major changes.
It's very nice of you to assume it's an act.
(But neoliberalism is by definition a branch of liberalism, a broad ideological grouping that includes America when it had widespread chattel slavery and Manifest Destiny)
Leftists, regardless of how they voted.
Its good to mock those couple hundred people anyway, but to blame them for it is scapegoating. They're obviously kind of dumb but yeah like Joe Biden running for re-election is like probably the #1 dick that Democrats tripped over. Campaigning with abysmally unpopular Cheneys, buying ads on republican media instead of knocking on doors or spending money on dem neutral media, focusing too much on trump instead of on strengths, moving right on immigration all contributed.
2024 was nothing less than a strategic clusterfuck.
Dems should run primaries even when they're running for re-election. Its free coverage and right wing media has to address it.
They stopped running primaries because they almost lost control of the party to Bernie Sanders in 2016.
The DNC will never make that mistake again. It made their doners very upset.
But they are still running primaries? If talking about the presidential specifically, they did a typical primary in 2020 and sure in 2024 it was not done, but we've got people blaming "real primaries" against incumbents for losses in 76, 80, and 92 and neither party does it as a result.
It is, as others have said, a backwards cause and effect. Weak candidates are more likely to have an incumbent primary forced on them. It makes more sense to run primaries every election because it will allow candidates more actual screen time.
Look at it this way. Of the last 2 elections the party that ran a primary won both times. If you do the last 20 years only Obama won election without a primary. Thats 33% odds of a no primary win.
The thing that changed? Citizen's united
Neither party runs presidential primaries when their guy is incumbent. It's almost superstitious, that having someone 'primary' your incumbent is going to make them lose (because of losses under those circumstances by Ford, Carter, and Bush Sr.
Of course the cause/effect is backwards, they were primaried because their administration was at risk, they weren't at risk because of the primary, but as superstitions go...
Hopefully they'll switch there tone on the "incumbent advantage" after back to back one term presidencies.
If the fascists running israel, the fascists running the us, the DNC, and all the other people that are to blame for this outcome were on Lemmy, you'd see us arguing against them a lot more